My name is Jo and my primary hobby is cleaning records.
Well done Aisip,I felt the same about CD.
Well done Aisip,I felt the same about CD.
I only had a chance to introduce myself to CD after 10 years in early 90's aftery they appeared and had to admit had the same digital dissapointment. Later-on I found out reasons digging through the radio journals and going through the signal tests to understand why these goddamn CDs don't sound as good as they should.
In reality and even theoretically they realy should all sound good but they don't. I can't tell precisely the reason why... but in regular red-book standard the level of resolution almost never reaches 16-bit. In CDs of early 90's some of them was only reaching 9 bits of dynamic information stored. The plotted graph of sampled sine wave by 44.1kHz x 9-bits on oscilloscope screen looked wierd since more than 20% of signal is being lost and there are large gaps to be recovered in DA proccessing. Anywhay distortions in this case are huge and it only takes to buy under $150 analogue setup including phono with cartridge and arm to smoke this CD sonically since the distortions level will be much lower.
Nowdays things got better due to more advanced computer technology that allowes more controll over the recording or transfering from analogue tapes so CDs makes sence to get remastered but after a word of "remastered" there goes ridiculouse price. Contemporary jazz CDs do actually sound great.
We've been fooled realy for a number of years expecting one thing and getting in reality another.
Aisip, first of all, while I am not sure what is your first language, I wish that my second (Spanish) and third (German) languages were as fluent as your English! Thanks for the review of the Spacedeck. Having owned mine for some time now, I would concur with your evaluation in nearly all respects. It is a most dynamic table that has that very low noise floor that you mention (my epiphany in that regard, so to speak, was hearing the spittle crackling on Art Peppers sax reed while at the same time being able to hear the subtlety of the valves popping open!). I think that many of the Spacedecks virtues stem from a very good and accurate bearing assembly and the provision of very stable speed control.
I am most intrigued by your mention of the tweaking you have done. I should probably just e-mail you, but maybe other Spacedeck owners will benefit from the following discourse regarding each of the excellent points you raise.
a) I agree that, not unlike many tables, one is better served by replacing the stock mat. I am using the Mystic Mat, which is very similar, indeed, to the BA Mat1. Ringmats, cork mats, etc., do not seem to work as well as the stock mat, but the graphite mats are just excellent.
b) I imagine that the Spacedeck looks very nice atop that piano black base! I tried my Spacedeck, with and without the stock plinth, atop a 2 maple cutting board that provides the base for a DIY wall unit that I constructed. I initially liked mine best sitting directly on top of the maple (without the stock plinth) until I purchased a set of three brass cones and pucks from Ed Soler (esoler) here on Audiogon. As you likely know, the three contact pads under the three support pods on the Spacedeck form a nearly exact 10 equilateral triangle. I first found the point at which the pivot arm support pad rested atop the stock plinth, when positioned appropriately, and scribed a mark on the bottom of the plinth at that point. Then, I marked three points to form the same 10 equilateral triangle and used these points to position the brass cones. Finally, with the cones and pucks between the maple and the stock plinth, I placed the table with the support pods directly over the cones. This made a subtle but noticeable improvement by providing even more air and firming up the bass a bit more.
c) I agree, never skimp on the arm. With any table, really. Good to hear that you are having such success with the Twl-modded Silver. There are a good number of arms that find worthy homes on the Spacedeck and it is exceedingly flexible in accepting a variety of different arms WITHOUT drilling a new arm board. One can obtain adapter rings of various sizes to allow individual arms to fit the arm pod collet for about $30US.
d) OVERWHELMING KUDOS to you for mentioning this tweak. In fact, one of us should suggest this to Tom Fletcher as a stock item. I fretted and stewed about the wiggle of the threads in the tapped holes when adjusting for levelness until I recalled the same situation with speaker spikes. I used nylon nuts on mine and it is a MAJOR, MAJOR improvement for just pennies.
The only point at which we slightly diverge is the mention of the new, thicker platter. I have heard the Spacedeck with and without the thicker platter and dont feel that it makes too much, if any, difference. I have a suspicion, though, that this is dependent upon setup and the arm/cartridge employed. I found the platter about the same, but ONLY when using the graphite mat. Without the mat, the thicker platter was the clear winner. I have a hunch that the graphite dissipates resonance sufficiently before the platter comes into play. At any rate, my opinion is that one not shy away from buying a used Spacedeck that did not have the thicker platter.
My next foray into tweaking will be to try a DC power supply. Will let you know how THAT works out.
Thanks again for the review. Very informative.
Fantastic review and responses! Those of us researching a new turntable purchase applaud such excellent efforts. It's a joke for most of us to be told "go listen for yourself", since the cost to do that for just a minor sampling of turntables would pay for one of them! So we must rely on those such as yourselves with direct experience. I, for one, am grateful for the effort.
So, a most sincere thanks. By the way 4yanx, what arm are you using, and have either of you used the Space arm, and what is your opinion of it? Wouldn't mind knowing your cartridge and phono pre also!!
Here is the link to a thread that may or may not be of some help to you regarding arms with the Spacedeck (there is also much more discussion of 'Nots on AA than here on Audiogon):
My Spacedeck came with the Spacearm and I think it is a unipivot arm that gives very solid, reliable, and ultimately musical performance. I have heard both the earlier metal tube and the current carbon fiber tube versions. I found the metal arm version to be a little less nimble, if that is an audiophile term. I found it slower in sound than the carbon version, but that was before doing other tweaking. The carbon fiber Spacearm is a breeze to setup with respect to VTA and VTF. Tom Fletcher designed two stabilizer bars in the Spacearm making it compatible with a good number of additional cartridges than normally the case with medium mass unipivots. It provides a very rich sound that I find a hint on the warm side of neutral. Because the Spacedeck itself is considered a warm and very lively table, some might find the Spacedeck and Spacearm, in combination, too much of a good thing. If the tweaks discussed earlier in this thread are incorporated, however, the combination will yield excellent results. One thing I would like to see in the Spacearm is a just bit more transparency, though, which is why a few folks order the Spacedeck and fit a different arm. Also, some just do not like unipivots and opt for a gimbaled arm.
Interestingly, I have heard lately of several glowing reports of the Spacearm on tables other than the 'Not, including Michells and Oracles.
I have used the Morch DP6 on a separate arm pod and found it excellent though a bit fussy with respect to setup. Plus, while my Shelter 501 sounds great in the Spacearm, it does not perform as well in the Morch. :-) I have also tried an OL Silver on my table. I thought the Spacearm bested the Silver on the Spacedeck, but I sold the Silver before hearing of or trying the Twl HIFI mod for that arm. I know others have had success in this regard and the price is certainly right.
I recently obtained an OL Illustrious on a fluke of very good luck, but have yet to install it on the table due to other pressing changes in my system. Will post eventually regarding this experience.
Thanks for all the kind words. Hopefully, discussions like this will attract a lot of attention and sway more music lovers to give analog a serious listen. Mr. 4YANX, just had the opportunity to listen to the OL Illustrious mounted on a Resolution table at a friend's abode. The experience was magical! I don't know what the secret recipe for a good tonearm is, but OL seemed to have deciphered it. We are planning to hold a turntable shoot-out between the Resolution and the Space Deck in the very near future. Will keep you guys posted.
Aisip ,Great Post and Review. I really liked the information about the
OL Illustrious mounted on a Resolution table at your friend's abode, and the MAGICAL experience.
It's difficult to get info on these products.
Please do let us know how the shoot-out turns out.
I know 4YANKS for one can hardly wait.
On the subject of tweaking have any of you tried a motor controller like the one recently reviewed on 6moons from Walker Audio the PMC.
I am also about to get a Spacedeck installed in my system, and I will have the SpaceArm for a while, until they finish making a mounting collar for my Hadcock GH242SE w/Incognito tonearm.
I am hoping this will be a very synergisitc match as I have heard that the Spacedeck was originally designed with Hadcock tonearms in mind. I will certainly post my findings here.
Last question on the matter of replacing the MDF platter with a chopping block. How come you wouldn't just keep the supplied base on and just add the chopping block beneath that? It seems to me to you would get increased mass and the benefits of the chopping block still? Am I wrong?
Soliver, I was told by Tom Fletcher that the Spacedeck was initially voiced using a Hadcock. I ultimately kept my stock plinth between table and 2" maple to good effect but others, like Aisip, express good results without. Tom Fletcher has said that it was designed to be used with or without plinth. He included a plinth because some folks are used to a plinth and expect to see one but he wanted the table to perform the same either way. Try it both ways and see what you like. Seems about half and half like it one way or the other so that MIGHT be proof that it doesn't make much difference! :-)
Aisip, I see where you ALREADY like the Resolution/Illustrious combo, as do I. The comparison between the Spacedeck and Resolution with the same arm is interesting.
Just found a better way to stabilize those wobbly adjustable feet: Rubber washers. You can get some at Home Depot, plumbing and faucet section. They are available in all kinds of sizes and thickness. Very easy to install. Just unscrew feet, slip washer(s) into screw, and screw back feet. Use one or two washers until your table is leveled.