No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need


It goes back to cable manufaturars, mostly provide no relevant data! to sales and the users. None will answer this!
Whay do you think that you own now the optimal cable to your setup?
I think I've figured it out. 


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hi b4icu, kindly let me know the cables for my system. I have 4 Goldmund Telos 600 connected to Kharma Exquisite Reference 1 E-S. Thank you.
 Hi b4icu,
I cannot find the DF in the Goldmund Telos 600 manual. The cable length is 1.5 m. Thanks 
Hi b4icu,
sorry for the late reply as I was not home. I have 5 Telos 600. 4 fo
The SN is at the bottom of the amp, so I managed to have 2 SN. Do you need the SN on all the amps.
1) 80719382
2) 80518968
many thanks for your help.
b4icu,
for your info, presently I am using 2m Kharma KESL Speaker cable for both of them. Thanks 
b4icu,
Many thanks for your advice. Presently I bi-amp the Kharma with a Telos 600 driving the 25mm diamond tweeter and 165mm ceramic mid and another Telos 600 driving the 330mm Nomex-Kevlar woofer. Is both cable the same at 4AWG? What if I move the amps closer to the speaker and have 1 m cables instead? Thanks 
b4icu,
I have been using this setup for the last 10 years and I am excited to hear a improvement for so little a cost. Thanks 
b4icu,
I will share my impression on this exchange. I paid $25k for 2 pair after discount.
The Goldmund amp have 2 male BNC output for speaker connections. Anybody know where I can buy the female connectors. I plan to connect the 6AWG cable by this connection if I can source the female connectors. Many thanks to all.
b4icu,
thank you so much Michael. If the 4 or 6 awg can be somehow attached to this coaxial connection of the amp, it will be wonderful. 

b4icu,

Michael, presently both ends are connected by spades.

I just went to douglasconnection.com introduce by grannyring to purchase 8 banana and 8 spade connectors size for 4AWG wire. On checkout, they only ship to a US address. I am not from US, so I contacted them by email to see if they can help. Waiting for their response.

I plan to use banana at the Telos 600 end and spade at the speaker end. So I run 4awg 1.5m to mid/high and another 4awg 1.5m to the woofer. I cannot find special coaxial connector for the amp.

I have another Telos 600 connected to the Revel Voice 2 Centre speaker, should I use the same 4AWG 1.5m?

My good friend have a Passlabs 350.8 to Wilson Alexia Speakers 2.5m. Kindly advise for his cable size. Thank you so much for all your help. We would have save lots of money if we know you earlier. Have a good day.



b4icu,
Michael, I have another Friend having a Passlab XA 160.8 driving Magico Q5 2.5 meter. Please calculate AWG for his 2.5 meter. Thank you so much. 
I try to buy banana and spade connectors good for 6 or 4 AWG wire locally without any luck. Looks like I need to purchase these connectors from US using a 3 party forwarding house there.
b4icu,
Hi Michael,
just to update you, 4AWG cables expect 7 Nov from Amazon. Spades and banana connectors stuck a warehouse in Oregon awaiting reset of password which I forgot.
sorry for the delay 

12-01-2018 11:58am
Do not waste your money on expensive cables. Me and my friends have spend thousands on expensive cables to our speakers and this gentleman ‘b4icu’ calculated the correct cable gauges for the amplifiers we used which is Goldmund and Passlabd. We bought 4 AWG copper wires from Amazon as recommended by him with spade and banana connectors and DIY the cables. For $200 between the 3 of us, we have 3 set of speakers cables. We are very happy with the sounding from this DIY cables to our speakers. If we have know b4icu earlier, we could have save thousand of $$$, but nothing to be ashamed for the mistakes we made, thank you b4icu. God Bless for your sharing 
b4icu,
we are thinking of changing from 4 AWG to 2 AWG to squeeze a little bit more from the amps. What is your opinion?
We are looking for better connectors from Furutech. Most connectors max wire 6 mm only 😰
b4icu,
I am unable to fill in the excel table with my iphone. I can view it with the link you provided but unable to update with my input as I may not have the app. Please help

b4icu,

Sorry for the late response on the sound impression of the DIY 4AWG extra flexible welding copper cables USA bought from Amazon. This cable is less than USD1.5/foot plus shipping. How to post the photos?

According to our amplifier damping factor, you have calculated that we need 4AWG cable, 2 M length for our system. My friends, SAM, JOHN and myself would like to thank you for your selfless help to us and the hifi community which could save us a lot money if we had known you earlier.


Below is SAM’s DIY cables sound impression.

My room is quite big so I have an issue of insufficient bass.  I recently added a pair of Rel 212se to pair with my Wilson Alexia driven by Passlabs 350.8 and I thought that it has made my day.  I have top to bottom and the music flowed v nicely with the Kharma Grand Ref speaker cables. The 1st impression upon installation of the DIY cables was wow 😮 it sounded very musical.  While the music sound sweet with Kharma, the DIY cables sounded more realistic.  Soundstage was equally wide and the overall music have more drive.  Bass notes were drier and has better separation / weight.  As lack of good bass was my issue, I was pleasant surprised.  The high extension seems to have lessen and sounded less sparkle, but sufficient and overall adequate.  The mids and vocals seems to have taken to be more backward staging.  Therefore the presence of the mids is where it is weak in.  Overall, this set up sings and I feel that the flow of music is more realistic and enjoyable and the Kharma is now in the box.


Below is JOHN’s DIY cables sound impression.

I have been chasing for a better hifi system all the time. I have gone through numerous changes of preamps, amps, turntables/cartridges, phone amps, CD transports, DAC, interconnect cables and speaker cables over the many years in this hobby.

My present amps are Pass Labs 160.8 mono blocks ( damping factor 200) driving Magico Q5 speakers with Ansuz Speakz C2 speaker cables. My 1st impression after installing the DIY 4AWG 2 meters length cables was the system sounded very pleasant and musical. Bass response was enhance and tighter and I noticed more excursion on the woofers motion.    The soundstage was equally wide but with more body presentation. The high is a notch less which is good as it is less edgy especially on vocal. I am very happy with the new DIY cables that I decided to retired the Ansuz in the box.


Below is my DIY cables sound impression.

My interest in hifi date back to late 60s with Dual system. Bought JBL4315 speakers and Harman Kardon Citation 16 pre and power in 1970. I still have the Harman Kardon power amp in mint condition. Like John, I have gone through numerous changes in both equipments and cables in my hifi system over the years, trying to chase after that dream system. 

Now I am using 4 Telos 600 mono blocks bi-amp to the Kharma Exquisite Ref 1 E Signature speakers with 2 pairs of Kharma Enigma Signature Loudspeaker cables for the last 10 years. My 1st impression of the DIY cables which cost less than USD100 was overwhelming. It sounded musical and not bright to the point of edginess especially on female vocal when I play loud to around 90dB region. Soundstage is wide with overall presentation very dynamic and full. Lost a wee notch on the sustain on the treble resulting in quicker decay of the high notes or less sparkle. However with the diamond tweeters of the Kharma, the extension of high is still more than adequate. 

The best takeaway for me on the DIY cable is no edginess of vocal (hurting my ears) when I play loud. Like my friends, I retired the Kharma cables in the box which I have been using the last 10 years. I may try to parallel the Kharma with the DIY cables after spending some extended time with the DIY cables.


b4icu, if you need any info or photos, kindly let me know. How may we contact you in the future when we change our amplifier with different damping factor. Thanks and Shalom.


b4icu,
a). All our high-end cables are 2 metres in length with no spec on the gauge or size of the cables.
b).  SAM’s Kharma retail price USD8000 for 2M pair.
       JOHN’s Ansuz Speakz C2 retail price USD8400 for 2M pair.
        KHIAK ‘s Kharma retail price USD17000 for 2M pair.
c)     I have pictures but do not know how to post it. 

b4icu,
I do not have the imgur software, please update the spreadsheet on our behalf. Thanks 
  • b4icu
Would replacing the Furez connectors with Furutech connectors improve the sound quality?

Cannot find the green box PAGE that say NEW POST to post the picture, I am not savvy in this, sorry.
b4icu,
I try to follow the steps given without success, I am using a iPhone. Thanks 
b4icu,
i do not have a PC, the last PC failed and now I just use the IPhone XSmax.