Gammajo,Jrun,Oz, and courtvision21, Thanks for the great opinions.
The Von schweikerts are still on my short list , looking for the best place to audition them.
Audiotomb, thanks for the link, the Saulk look great ! sort of like the Sophia Wilson. Oakland County is not too far, I will try to hear them maybe this Saturday.
Chadnliz, Sturgis will be a jaunt but I will seek them out and lIsten to the VMPS. |
Does anyone know where I can listen to the VS speakers in Michigan? |
Chadnliz,
I could not find the place listed.
Please send me an email with the phone number. If I can connect , I will go there next weekend.
I was able to listen to the Salk HT3 this weekend. |
Well they sound very good. And they look very good.
I found Mr. Salk to be a very good man to deal with.
The poor guy , I subjected him to all types of music, including CCR and AC/DC.
The speakers have a very open sound and the center image is great.
But, all my equipment and my room layout is very different than his...
Even though, I like them , I am trying to persuade him into letting me borrow a pair for a day or two to play in my system.
Since I live within driving distance, he may go for it.
I will be able to comment better at that time. |
Thanks, Just called them . They do not have the VR 4SR .
Just the JR. |
It seems that the Data cable is a good idea.
It looks better with that hook up in the pictures.
Odd that VS couldnt just use the same cable they use in the crossover network to make the Data Link.
I understand the advise about Bi-wiring and my Virtual Dynamics Revelation 2 are bi-wires and in waiting,
but... I still want to hear the VR 4 SR first!
Anyone in SouthEast Michigan got a VR 4SR for a poor boy to listen to? |
Well I went and ordered a pair of Von Schweikert VR 4SR Mk2.
I figure that is the only way to find out what they are all about with my equipment in my system. |
Thanks for the kind replys. I am kind of excited.
I am going to get the Cherry finish.
I hope the VR 4SR is an upgrade from what I am currently using (Legacy Focus).
They have been good , I have had them for a while and have been my only point of reference. |
Now come on guys. All you have to do is run one pair of cables from your Amp to the bottom spade/bananas.
Run the second set of speaker cables from your Amp to the top Midrange/Tweeter module. Take the cheap jumper plates outcompletly! |
By the way , I recieved my speakers Monday.
The packaging is awesome! The boxes they came in may make a speaker do it yourself project someday.
The Dark cherry looks great! Much better than I thought.
Quality through out.
My wife actually said they look very nice.
I have the speakers breaking in on another system front to front , out of phase, on continuos Rock.
I figure if I can last 2 weeks like that I will be set with break in.
Then I can compare... |
I believe the only purpose for the extra set of spades and the jumper plate is for when you simply want to connect a single cable (not biwire) to the speakers.
In that case, from your Amp connect a single run cable to the bottom spades put the jumper plate in place and then use the supplied Von Schweilkert cord to connect the top unit to the bottom unit.
You also could connect a single wire from your Amp to the spk bottom spades , use the jumper plate and then connect another short wire from the top bottom spades of the lower module to the upper module spk inputs. (not using the Von Schweikert supplied cord).
Confusing ?? Not really went you try it. |
Blindjim, Yes I recieved the Mk 11. They visually look really nice. Cant wait to listen to them.
Instructions are vague on all the cones, spikes, allen wrench screws pads etc.
I must mention also that Von Schweikert customer service thus far has been terrible !! E---
Rarely, does someone answer the phone, or messages are not able to be left and if you manage to be able to leave a message no one calls you back !
I talked to VS JR once, and he promised a return call, never happened!
Such a nice looking product , such lousy Customer service!
I remember Melos Audio was like that, and they soon went out of Buisness, Von Schweikert better listen up !
Perhaps, I should start another thread on usAudiogon members Customer service experience with VS. |
I just sent a copy of my last posting to Von Schweikert about there crappy Customer service.
Wonder if they will reply to my email? |
No reply from my email from yesterday.
You see, I have a problem with one of the internal threads on the upper Module. None of the threaded spikes will screw into it.
I just tried calling them again and I did talk to a guy named Joe, so someone is answering the phone at least now.
Joe told me to go to Hardware store for a tap.
I asked why known one has called me back and he said they didnt have an answer for me. Yikes ! This sounds like Melos Audio again.
I wish I knew this before I bought these speakers.
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Thanks,
The upper Module contains a threaded metal insert, so Mr. Grip wont work. But,it looks like an interesting product regardless. |
I've got about 100 hours on the speakers. So far the speakers sound like the "Cream".
Even though I have them out of phase,face to face with many blankets on top of them, I can tell they are sounding better.
I can hear the bass is going to be quite tuneful and the dynamics and treble sound like they will have the smack and shimmer I so like.
If only the cutomer service wasn't so "Crappy" |
It would be good If Albert Von Schweikert could comment on this thread about its Customer service.
All the product Engineering in the world is usless when you have a problem and there is no Customer Service. |
Thanks Mcguire I will order some.
By the way, since I have'nt yet set the speakers up for actual audtion(Maybe this Sunday) looking at the supplied spike floor feet they look very basic.
Has anyone updated the feet to something more substantial?
What size is the thread size of the spiked feet? |
Tvad, Blibdjim, Thank you for the help.
Douglas, Thanks also for the info.
The thing I dont understand is , If they get so many calls a minute, why don't they answer the phone? Do they just count the rings?
Anyway, dont shoot the messanger, so sorry.
If Albert is still finanically involved he should still be highly concerned.
You still cant seperate the Company from the Customer Service. |
I now have 240 hours on my VR 4 SR Mk 2.
The manual says to give them at least 300 hours before evaluating the sound quality.
But, so far...
The bass is getting more defined , but the soundstage still could be better.
However, I am still using the full output from rear level mid/tweeter for breakin.
I have been playing around with speaker placement.
I have them placed currently at 27" from the back wall to the back of the speaker cabinet and 38" from the sidewalls to the side of the speaker cabinet.
I do not have them toed in at all.
I also have purchased the Brass and Granite speaker outriggers.
The spike level adjustment is great and they make the Speakers look very cool.
Great product! |
Thanks, I will keep trying different positions.
I might add that I have them about 10 feet apart.
My room is 18' x 25" with an 8 foot ceiling |
Gammajo,Tvad,Ozzy62 Thanks for the advise,
I have a large 62" LCD in between the speakers.
I have placed a ASC 1/2 tube trap behind the TV and I have 16" dia 8 feet tall Tube traps in the corners.
I also have 3 room lens ,2 outside the speakers and the third behind my listening position.
The first and second reflections also are treated.
I am using the room also for home theatre with a seperate Amp, Equipment and speakers for that.
Actually, the VS front speakers are 52" from the back wall and with the front port I thought it would be fine at that distance. I can bring them out a few more inches but beyond that with my speaker cables it would mean I would have to move my Pass Labs Amp out into the room. However, I like the Amp where it is, on the side of my TV stand .
When I turn down the VS rear speakers the soundstage seems to lock in better, but the instructions says in order to break the rear speakers in, let them play at full level until all the speakers are broke in.
Wow, you guys are saying 500 hours, thats a long time for break in. But,what the hey.
They do seem to sound more refined now than from day one.
Since I have the speakers almost 10 feet apart I tried sitting that same distance to them. You know the triangle thing.
I find that moving back a few feet more brings the soundstage together more.
Thanks again. |
Tvad, Courtvision21@, Audioblazer,
I will continue on with playing music thru them for additional breakin.
Probably at some point , I will turn down the rear speakers. Are you guys using them at full output?
The new spikes provided with the Mk2 version are the cheap screw type not the Audio Points as in the Mk1.
For the speaker Outriggers that I mentioned earlier go to the Soundocity web site.
The metal bar frames screw in just like the spikes did , for the VS you have to ask for 3/8"-16 thread size
Go to this site for a picture.http://www.soundocity.com/Picture_0106.jpg
They extend outside of the speakers. The spikes are adjustable and allow the speakers to be fully stablized. I am using the 2" tall spike and they look really cool.
They come in a Black/chrome or gold brass finish |
Spenceroo, the outriggers mounted into the same holes that the spikes go into. They look great !.
My floor (cement) was uneven and all speakers would rock where I placed them. With these outriggers the babies are level and solid. Great product.
I have 302 hours on the speakers. Low volumes they sound great.
I cant wait until I can start turning down the rear speakers, I think with my room, full on is too much. |
I just got done moving the speakers around in my room and I find that now the rear speakers full on sounds better. Also, after 300 hours of music playing thru them they are developing a very large soundstage.
I now have my speakers 36" measured from the side of the speakers to the side wall. The back of the speakers are 30" from the back wall, making the front of the speakers about 59" from the back wall.
Do I need to bring these out into the room even more? Should they go closer to the side walls?
After reading Douglas excellent review, he had them placed 40" out into the room and 30" from the side walls.
To place mine at those positions would require big time room and equipment re-arrangement.
But, I would like to place them in the optimun location.
With the weight of these speakers and the outriggers 2" high spikes moving them is a challange.
Please share your placement info.
My room is 18' x 25' with a 8 foot ceiling. I have 8 foot 16" tube traps in the corners. |
