There is no Samsung LED tv what is able in giving a cinema smooth image. 1,5 year ago I had to teach people who work for Samsung what the difference is between plasma and LED. I explained all the difference in image. For a person who is taught how to Judge a screen. LED IS FOR DUMMIES!!. Plasma is superior in speed, 3d image. There is a lot more depth. LED backlight filter the cinema look of a movie. Movies look if they were taken with cheeep camera's. I showed this tot he people of Samsung. They were amazed, they never noticed it. Many people with less knowledge these days!!!! |
One thing I miss in europe and like a lot about the US is the honnesty about screen's. In the US there are enough articles that plasma is better. And yesss it is. Oled will become the new standard. But this year you are still better of with plasma. I would go for the new topmodel of Samsung Plasma. I sell both Samsung and Panansonic. Samsung is sharper and is better in white. White is the most difficult colour for plasma. Panasonic has less white colours. This was the main reason why I went to the Samsung side after Panasonic plasma's. I hate the plastic material Panasonic uses. Samsung does this also a lot better with better materials. Tomorrow I have to install a GT60 Plasma of Panasonic. |
I forgot one important thing: Samsung is a lot more powerfull in ansilumen compared to Panasonic. Pansonic did improve it compared to last year. But Samsung does this still a lot better. There is almost no content in 4k. At this moment it doesn't matter. In the movie theaters it will come quite soon. But before broakcast is in 4 k, we are many years further. Wenn you see in the past, that this is the main reason why new formats go very very slow. |
Colour realism; led is not able in giving realism in colours. Like the colour green. Use a pro camera and record gras. Take a look at the gras in real and to a led screen. The difference is soooo big. Even wenn people give me the best led for free I would not use it. The same a depth. Led often almost look 2-dimensional. Led screen's are sold a lot only cause of less knowledge. Brightness per 1cm2 by plasma is bigger compared to led. People often think that led is a lot brighter. Because the get the wrong information. Wenn I tell the differences most choose for plasma. And not because it is my own preference. |
Today I installed a new Panasonic plasma. GT60, black were stunning and yess they are more dynamic in light over last year. But Samsung is still sharper and there topmodels have more output in light. |
Yess it does, and I use a device to calibrate. First we have to wait for this. But that will not solve the output in light issue. Plasma will become more smooth after breaking in. Samsung plasma looks a lot more different than Panasonic Plasma. I prefer Samsung over Panasonic, no doubt about it. Also from this screen I do not like the cheep material on the Plasma. The more expensive Samsung use better and a lot more appealing material Panasonis uses. |
One day later I have to admit that the Panasonic GT60 is
exeptional good. Blacks are f..awesome, was already more fluied than the first day. Colours are greet. Depth is because of the blacks also very good. You must be a big fool to buy a LED screen!!! Screen's with a lot of flaw's!! |
I still have not seen the New topmodel of the Samsung Plasma. Maybe I will buy one this year. I still use the Samsung PS64D8000. 2 years ago this one was a lot more sharp and had a lot more light output compared to the VT30 of Panasonic. Last year model E8000 had a very low light output. A big mistake of Samsung. The thing I still don't like about the Panasonics is the material they use. It still looks cheep and plastico fantastico. Lastb year the output still was not a lot. This year this is a lot better. Samsung clames to have the best blacks and light output of a screen this year. Could become the new for me.... |
I think I will order the Samsung PS64F8500 this week.....I took my decision....I will make a review over a few weeks. |
Why F8500 over ZT60?
- looks; on the wall it looks 3 times more expensive than a zt60. Material and shape are superior over Panasonic ZT60.
- Light output is superior. This part is a lot more important than the best black levels. This gives you much more quality and pleasure in watching tv during daytime. Why magzines and the internet tests do not talk about this.
White is the most difficult colour for plasma. White is a lot better at Samsung plasma.
Options; a lot more complete, many more features |
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/samsung_and_panasonic_top_hdtv_shootout/
Many magazines and also internet review forget some very important parts which are more important than the things they test. For example the VT30 had a very irritating low light output. Watching during daytime irritated me very fast. I did not see any test who talked about this big flaw. |
Yess I know about this. The F8500 is the first Plasma with a light output of a LED screen. This makes it during daytime a lot more pleasant to watch. This is a very important part. We are not talking only in my house, in most of every person there house. The other thing is sharpness and speed. The Panasonic is a lot better in this part this year, but Samsung is still better in this part as well. Ofcourse with both ( F8500/ZT60) you cannot go wrong. |
http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/samsung-pn64f8500-review/ |
The other important thing what I miss is: sharpness. Samsung is a lot sharper than Panasonic. For me this is a lot more important than the best blacks. Light output is also much more important. The other problem of the Panasonics is the fan noise. Samsung is more silent. |
Next week I will receive the F8500. a few weeks later I will write a review about it. |
Just wait and see........ |
This year's contenders for flatpanel shootout included three plasmas and three LED-lit LCD TVs. The models were:
Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 65-inch Plasma HDTV
Samsung PN64F8500 64-inch Plasma HDTV
Panasonic TC-P65VT60 65-inch Plasma HDTV
Sony XBR-65X900A 65-inch LED-lit LCD Ultra HD TV
Panasonic TC-L55WT60 55-inch LED-lit LCD HDTV
Samsung UN55F8000 55-inch LED-lit LCD HDTV
As was the case last year, the plasma TVs outperformed the LED/LCD sets overall, by a fairly wide margin. Even the mighty 4K "Ultra HD" Sony LED TV was bested by the three 1080p plasma sets from Panasonic and Samsung. Of course, we did not view any native 4K content (of which there is currently very little) on the Sony. Doing so would surely have highlighted its strengths in picture detail. But one might have expected its greater resolution and scaling would have given it an edge over the competition even on regular HD material. It turns out many other areas of display performance are more important than the number of pixels, so the Sony finished off around the middle of the pack. |
One day ago I was on the AVS website. There was a discussion about the ZT60/VT60 and F8500. So I thought I will make an account as well. Mannnnnnn I was very popular.....hahahahahaha. I asked people with there expierence in HDMI cables. I said I tested many and there is one which is by far the most convincing. They all believe in calibrate your screen but not in difference between hdmi cables. They did not appriciate my thoughts about cables. I even got banned from the website. And no I did not insult any person. Maybe a website not for persons like me? |
It is the Diamond from Audioquest. I use now three of them. One as a monitor cable to my Samsung PS64F8500, one for my Humax decoder and one for my Bluray player. It is both in vision and sound the best I have seen and heard sofar. Pure silver does bring it to another level. |
In the last few months I did a lot of research in the 2013 screens. There is one simple conclusion I can make. Plasma is still superior to LED. Wenn I watch at the best LED screens I am watching to flaws all the time. ONLY PEOPLE WITH LESS KNOWLEDGE ARE CAPABLE OF BUYING A LED SCREEN. So what are these flaws? First the motion is still inferior to Plasma. Even at bluray you see the problems. I get f..irritated wenn i see this. Many peole are f.. blind because they buy them. How stuppid you can be in my world. Colours are far from realistic. I see one positive thing in the best LED screens these days, there is a little depth. But compared to the best Panasonic and Samsung plasma's which can give a 3d image even without glasses it is still inferior. Watch a movie with a led screen and compare it with a plasma. You will understand that the led screen will make you feel if the movie was recorded with a cheep videocamera. Only with a plasma you can watch it with the feeling of a real movie. |
Panasonic vs Samsung:
They both did a great job in improving there plasma's. This is the first year I love Panasonic as I loved it in the past. Blacks are at both inky Black. Colours are realistic and dynamic. They both give a very 3-d image even without glasses. The thing I am most exited for is the motion. Mannnn I try to find flaws in speed but they have done a great job to make it smooth to die for. Another important improvement is the light output. They both improved this part a lot. This makes a big difference, even bigger than I thought. I do not see any reason to buy a led over a plasma anymore. The Samsung F8500 is the strongest screen in the world wenn we look at the light output.( almost at 11000 ansilumen) Many people think that ansilumen is only an advantage in brither rooms. Yes it is an advantage, bur it does even more. It gives the F8500 from Samsung a even more 3-d image. Cause of the extra light on the moving subjects there is more depth. The blacks are already inky black, but the extra light makes the difference in more depth. Wenn you watch the F8500 with video which is shot during daytime you get a much higher realistic feel if you are there in real. This part I do not find in tests, but gives you a big advantage. You also see more definition. Clouds, blue sky's are more realistic of the extra light output. White is maybe the most difficult colour for plasma. Samsung does this better, it is more clean. Panasonic does it a lot better compared to a few years ago. |
So which one is better; Samsung or Panasonic?
wenn you have 1000 dollar to spend I would go for a Panasonic. It is more complete over the Samsung.
wenn you have 2000-3000 to spend I also would go for the Panasonic.
wenn You have over 3000 dollar to spend I would go for a Samsung.
Wenn You see to all price tags and sizes Panansonic does a better job in the lower price tags compared to Samsung. I am always looking for the best in every price tag. This is why I sell more Panasonic plasma.s. Because I want always want my client to get the best there is for the money the spend. |
So which screen is the best if money doens't matter?
In my world this is the Samsung 64F8500 plasma. Even over the VT60 and ZT60 from Panasonic.......why?
To all the parts which are there to Judge for a screen it is more complete and more stunning to watch. WHich are these parts?
- wenn it is off the Samsung is superior to look at. The shape and material ( blue steel) of the F8500 is a lot more high quality compared to the cheaper look and material use of the Panasonic ZT60 and VT60.
- white is a lot cleaner and more realistic
to the less white of the Pannasonic.
- The image is sharper. The extra light output makes it more easy to see more information.
- the extra light output gives you stunning image even at daylight. Even at maximum sun blacks are still inky black. I never have seen a screens which this dynamic blacks even at daytime.
- the extra light output give an even more 3-d image.
- The extra light output give you the best realistic feeling in watching video what was shot during daytime. This gives me a big smile wenn I am aware how special this is. The Panasonic misses this part and it does more than most people think.
- menu settings are easier to use and more advanged compared to Panasonic there menu
- I was amazed that I like this screen for app and internet use. Panasonic is far away from this level in use.
* Watching tv and video never was this thrilling. For the higher quality it gives it is a bargan for the pleasure it can give. I CAN SAY; I LOVE MY SAMSUNG 64 INCH F8500. |
I did test many hdmi cables and there is one wich is superior to all I test. It is not cheap. Maybe even the most expensive one you can buy. But in audio and in picture it is the absolute king: Audioquest Diamond hdmi pure silver. It gives you even more light output. Sounds crazy but after you test it and compared it you understand. Also in definition and in blacks it is f...awesome! |
