New Outlets Lead to Better Sounding and Tasting Coffee


Coffee aficionados always grind their coffee before brewing. You should start the grinder first, and then pour the beans in. This ensures the motor is up to speed before it starts, ensuring an even grind and reducing stress on the motor.

Most mornings I’m pretty desperate to taste the first sips of coffee in order to function at all during the day, so I usually start the coffee brewer before the grinder has finished, so that there’s almost no delay between the last grind and the first hot water hitting the top of the pile.

One oddity I had noticed when I first moved in was that turning the coffee pot on slowed down the grinder. The reason seems straightforward. The pot draws ~ 1475 watts, or around 13 Amps. Far more than my entire stereo rack combined, which only gets close to this when I turn the amp on, and otherwise plays around 3 Amps, including the TV!

Anyway, turn on the coffee pot, and the coffee grinder slowed down. Makes sense. The high current draw was causing the voltage to sag (drop) under load. It did however concern me a little so I decided to upgrade all the kitchen outlets. Mind you, this 17 year old house had suffered some use and abuse from prior tenants which made me want to replace switches and outlets anyway. Charred contacts and plastic bits stuck in corroding outlets demanded rehabilitation.

The kitchen outlets were on a 20A circuit, but daisy chained and back-stabbed. Replacing them all with Eaton commercial/residential outlets (including GFCI where required) has in fact had a meaningful improvement in my coffee experience. Now when I turn on the pot the grinder doesn’t slow nearly as much as it used to. Not sure if I can taste the difference, but I can sure hear it and it makes me sleep more comfortably knowing that there’s less heat and loss in the circuit.

Of course, I’ve done the same in the home theater / stereo room as well. Can’t say I’ve measured a difference, but knowing that the poor connections and old outlets are gone makes me happy.

I’m not ready to recommend boutique outlets to anyone, or boutique wiring methods. I am however saying that getting well made (at least Residential/Commercial), modern outlets that are not back-stabbed for an old home is probably more than worth it.

My next step is making sure my microwave and coffee pot are on the same circuit so there's no voltage mismatch.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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There’s some organization that published recommended amounts of coffee and I worked that out on my pot to be 6 grams per marked (European) cup. So every morning I make 6 cups of coffee, which is 36 grams, which works out to about 2 mugs worth.

They also recommend an optimal water hardness which in LA was 5x more dissolved solids than recommended. I used Zero water and blended with other sources to get to the right amount. LA water is also so hard you have to descale your coffee maker 2x as often.

So, water temperature and time, dissolved solids, correct coffee weight and grind, and good outlets.  It all matters. 😂

@manogolf  No, it comes already roasted, so if you are making espresso you are fine.

However for any pour over you should rinse your bleached filters first. :)

@lloydc  - I use Baratza for several reasons.

Besides being an excellent grinder they are also supremely serviceable. Not only do they sell parts cheaply, they encourage DIY repairs with the information on their website, and when they upgraded the design they offered an inexpensive upgrade kit to prior owners.

When the flip switch broke on me it was like $5 for a new one.  Absolutely outstanding.

@old_ears I want to recommend one that always gets great reviews when I give it away to espresso drinkers: Owl’s Howl from Siteglass Coffee in San Francisco.

 

 

As an aside, I just checked the prices for modern Siemens CAFCI breakers.

They've jumped up by 50%!!

Several months ago I got 15A breakers for $40 a piece.  They are now $60.

Wow!!

Erik_Squires, the Mel Brooks crowd are proud to follow your data driven guidance.

 

Glad to have you aboard!

 

When I bought my AQ Niagara 5000 for the stereo, I moved my Furman Elite 15 Power Conditioner to my HT System (trickle down).  The picture on my TV improved quite noticeably.  It is sharper and has brighter colors.

@tonywinga 

Well that's a surprise, but I am using a very similar Furman model, and so perhaps I don't even know how good I've had it!

@jonwolfpell

 

Erik_squires - don’t many good power amps also have regulated power supplies? Why does the AC power they see affect them at times a great deal?

Actually this is incredibly rare for the power amplifier itself. Exceptions I can think of in linear amps include the Krell FPB line and Sander’s Magtech.

Amplifiers with switch-mode power supplies (SMPS) however should qualify as regulated.

The main drawback to regulated linear supplies is heat and power loss. With a DAC or preamp there is very little power consumed, so regulators can be small and heat losses small. The voltages are also low, typically around +- 12 to 15 VDC. 

Krell's FBP essentially builds an amplifier around the power supply rails, multiplying the amplifier circuitry significantly.

Sander's Magtech is a relatively elegant, middle of the road solution which incorporates a transformer with multiple output taps and switches at 0 volts, essentially a lossless, very effective regulator that will perform pretty well regardless of your house voltage.

Minor correction:  You can't backstab 12 gauge wires, thank goodness. :) The rest of my house though, was back stabbed.

@jonwolfpell  I think what many don't understand is a regulated power supply vs. unregulated.

My grinder is unregulated.  That is, performance is affected by incoming, instantaneous voltages.

Modern TV's use a constellation of power supplies to heavily regulate the voltage reaching each of the separate blocks.  There's a computer, video upscaling, input / outputs and even the screen can have mulitple power sources, such as for the backlight as well as the pixels (depending).

While I've seen TV's perform badly in really terrible environments, like hotels, in a home with reasonably good power I think I would not obsess.  Good wiring + good outlet is enough.

@tonywinga  Never had roller ground coffee, I'd probably suck at it if I tried, but Guatemalan is among my favorite coffees.  I tend to like South American coffees a great deal, and real Kona, and Java.

I didn't bother with reading any of the OP's details, or the posts,

The very best type of Audiogoner.  I have read nothing, but ...

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