New Joseph Audio Pulsar Graphene 2

But the only difference between these $9000 speakers and $1000 speakers is that it uses a $200 woofer vs a $50 woofer. So it should only really be $150 more expensive. same for the tweeter. i dont see how it comes to $9000

Who decided that these should be priced at $8,999 and how?

the best way to do infinity slopes is active. its hard enough doing 4th order using passive. The use of passive crossovers has no advantages. That alone diminishes the quality. 

You need to eliminate that passive crossover first before you judge the quality of these joseph audios. 

Then you can actually judge how much cabinet coloration there is and how much detail the drivers produce without worrying about what the crossover is doing. 

Magico design is the use of underhung voice coils to lower the distortion..expensive..but worth the cost!

whats that?

theres no evidence these speakers are better than a diy pair at a fraction of the cost.
or is there?

what audiophiles hear can certainly be fictional in some cases. Consider the high end cable scam thats been going on for many years. No evidence that cables make any difference and no plausible explanation why they would. Despite that, audiophiles will happily rationalise spending thousands on cables.

Audiotroy wrote:

We could have gotten better sound with warmer cables AQ does not a good match make with these components.

Even dealers cannot fail to be duped to believe such hogwash.

A dealer i recently visited told me that there was not enough bass because he was using the wrong speaker cables.

There should be laws to protect consumers from such hogwash.

The concept of cables influencing sound is simple cables can act like a capacitor and thus alter frequencies.

cheaper to just buy a capacitor for $1.

These pulsar speakers are simply overpriced. The fact that there are even more expensive speakers does not make the pulsars a bargain it just means those other speakers are even more overpriced.

There is only so much good sound you can get out of a box with a woofer and tweeter in it. Throwing more money at it will not change that.

As mentioned, companies charge multiple times the cost of the speaker to stay in business. Most of the money you pay is not being spent on the parts. We are being robbed

All this hogwash about how speaker design requires expertise is false. Every 2way speaker designed by the so called experts comes out sounding different. If they were all experts youd expect a convergence of the end result.

I've heard horrible things being said about speakers made by highly reputable companies like B&W. The fact that its designed by a professional doesnt guarantee anything.

The only way to be truly happy is have a speaker custom built to the highest specifications and involve the customer in the design process.

any $30k speaker should beat a $9k one

A $30k bookshelf will not produce significantly less distortion than a $1k bookshelf. Theres never been any evidence of this. Even cheap speakers like LS50 can have good measured performance. Exactly what more do you get with a $30k speaker other than differences in bass extension?

audiotroy, youre evading the question. 

The new Vinberg monitors, will be a huge step up from Pulsars..HUGE

That is impossible. The only huge step up will be the price. The josephs use a well braced box. You cant get much more rigid than that and the audible difference would be negligible. The drivers used are pretty much among the best. Theres not much you can improve on the crossover either its obviously been optimised. 

The only improvement you could do on a pulsar is if it was offered for a fraction of the cost.

I dropped in to an audio store that I was passing by today and listened briefly to the Paradigm Persona speakers (which I’d auditioned last year more extensively). Nice. Clear. Didn’t move me at all.

the acoustics of an audio store would not be the ideal place to evaluate the sound though would it?

the it factor is distortion. youre identifying a characteristic that is there on all tracks you play through the josephs. 

A true high end speaker has no identifiable characteristic. 

I'm really intrigued by what JA at Stereophile will have to say about the new Perspectives in the July issue.

5 stars obviously. I've never seen a bad stereophile review

@erik_squires 

B&w are very flat speakers. Used in Abbey road as a reference point.

JA says 

There appears to be a slight excess of on-axis energy centered on 10kHz, but the response trend through the region covered by the midrange unit and tweeter is otherwise very flat.

 https://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-nautilus-801-loudspeaker-measurements-part-2

we’d never deliberately build anything he thinks is superb.

Have you read the kef blade review he did? They are very flat sounding speakers.

@allhifi  Some think the reference 1 can be abit bright and harsh. 

Its all a matter of preference. The reference are overpriced too.

Theres nothing special about joseph audio speakers. They are as conventional as you could get for a two way speaker. Its a wooden box with a bit of damping material, a passive crossover and a pair of cone drivers. Dont see why it needs to cost ten thousand dollars