that looks exactly like the Expidit shelf unit that I've been using. The Kallax appears to have some nice accessories (eg, doors, drawers, feet) that I'd like to get for my Expidits if they'll fit. The one issue I had with the 2x8 units (ie, when using them vertically) is they have some lateral wiggle, which I remedied by installing a diagonal brace on the back. I also installed stops on the back of each cube so the LP's can't slide too far back on the shelf, and it also allows me to line them all up neatly. They work great with those minor EC's.
For storage systems which may be too deep, here's an inexpensive solution. Many years ago, before Ikea, I bought some 30"x15"x15" boxes at an unfinished furniture store. I selected the model with 4 vertical divisions. I then found some scrap 1"x1" stock which I cut to the width of each division. I then glued one in each compartment 12.5" back from the front. That serves as a stopper when albums are inserted while providing a small set back from the front to protect the albums.
Lastly I painted the boxes to improve appearance. That created storage for 400 LPs for under $100.
But the point is it should be easy to devise some sort of stopper for any box which is too deep.
bdgregory---The Expidit was the model the Kallax is a replacement for. There was such an outcry when the Expidit was discontinued that Ikea reintroduced it as the Kallax, the name being the only difference between the two. The drawers look like they would be great for CD storage, but the hinges that mount doors to the rack would get in the way of LP’s on the side to which they are mounted. One could put cardboards flats (that come in mail order LP cartons) on that side to solve that problem.
pryso---I had forgotten those chipboard boxes! I used them way back in the 70’s and 80’s, bought at the same unfinished-style store. They were available in a 2-section 15" x 15" version, and the 4-section 30" long one you mention. I too painted mine, and I remember LP covers kind of sticking to the paint. I guess I used the wrong kind! Being chipboard, they were pretty heavy, even moreso when fully loaded. But cheap, and very strong. I looked for some in the 90’s, but never again found them.
By the way, the EKET is available in a bunch of colors---light gray, dark gray (a great charcoal), white, light blue, dark blue, light orange, and bright orange.
I've been using a kallax 5x5 (25 openings) for a few years now and have not had any issues with side to side movement possibly because of the larger size. I recently moved it behind my siting position so as to form a hallway and divide my room better. and now that the back is open I picked up some 1 1/2" x 3/8" wooded slats very close to the same finish as the shelving unit (you may have to stain darker to match if needed) cut to the same length as the back and using finishing nails attached them in the middle of each opening from one side to the other about 6'. this actual looks very good and solves the issues with the opening in the back. I believe there is a picture on my profile if not i'll add one.
Good idea Glenn. The Kallax 25 space unit is the best deal around at $199, providing almost 30 linear feet of LP storage (almost 6’ wide, and 5 rows high)! If I got the Kallax (I would be getting a number of the 4-space and 8-space units, my rooms layout not allowing the 25 space model), I was planning on screwing pressed fiberboard onto the rear of each, perhaps even a piece into each space, with 2" x 2" blocks behind each to shorten the depth. The Kallax 8-space unit sells for $65, the 4-space EKET for $50, the Kallax obviously a better deal per linear foot. But I really like the look of the EKET (it looks a little more "finished" than the Kallax, with a even thickness panels having rounded edges), and the charcoal color, not available in the Kallax. It’s all good!
For storage systems which may be too deep, here's an inexpensive solution. Many years ago, before Ikea, I bought some 30"x15"x15" boxes at an unfinished furniture store. I selected the model with 4 vertical divisions. I then found some scrap 1"x1" stock which I cut to the width of each division. I then glued one in each compartment 12.5" back from the front. That serves as a stopper when albums are inserted while providing a small set back from the front to protect the albums.this is exactly what I did.
thanks bdp24 - I'm ordering some drawer units. I don't like using the lower cubes for LP's since in my old age it's too hard to stoop down that low. The drawers will make good use of those cubes.
spelly, the 25 space Kallax is listed and pictured on the Ikea website at the $199 price (plus shipping), and is priced the same in the Portland Oregon store I went into. I would think that is the price at all Ikea locations, but have no way to verify that. There is also a 16-cubicle version (4 spaces wide, 4 high) that is an even better deal at $109! The 8-cubicle model is priced at $65, and the 4-cubicle at $35. Great deals one and all. The fully enclosed and slightly smaller EKET’s are priced as follows: 13-3/4" cube @ $20, 2-cubicle 13-3/4" x 27-1/2" @ $30, and 4-cubicle 27-1/2" x 27-1/2" @ $50. The rear of each EKET is predrilled for the clips (an optional accessory priced @ $5/dozen) that secure multiple units together for stacking, and hardware to secure the EKET to a wall is included with each model. I also like the optional 4" high platform (with height-adjustable feet) to get the rack off the floor, priced @ $10 (for the narrower version) and $15 (for the wider). Why spend more? Some of the LP racks out there cost as much as do all the used LP’s it takes to fill them!
I have a 4x4 Expedit FULL of vinyl. I use vinyl sleeves for my vinyl, so the open back isn’t a problem, and when it’s full of records it is so freaking stable. Good thing it’s on a concrete floor! That’s great there are other fancier looking options now though. I just need an IKEA closer than 3 hrs..
I really like your new avatar Eric !
so far I have organized (well sort of) the albums in.
One 5 x 5 and, Two 4 x 4 Expedits.
One 4 x4 Kallax - thinner shelves less wood
The frequent plays 200 or so are kept on the floor in the room where I can flip through them. I like to see the full cover when choosing.
So you are using the wall support brackets too ?
Hey, how did that happen?! I must have signed on through Facebook recently, as that is my Facebook profile pic, playing my first drum on Christmas morning 1954.
Damn Chris---one 5 x 5, three 4 x 4? You must have a lotta LP's! I had about 5,000 until late 2015, when I went through them in preparation for my move from S. California to S. Washington, weeding out the non-essential, duplicates, etc, leaving me with about 3,500 or so. I did the same with my CD's, going from about 10,000 down to around 6,000 I'm guessing. So much music, so little time (left)! I just finished Humphrey Burtons biography of Leonard Bernstein, and Bernstein himself became increasingly concerned with his remaining time as he approached turning 70, feeling like he had so much more to do. I have a lot of LP's and CD's that I have yet to hear even once, a lot of music left to discover. Use your time wisely, youngins'!
Holy Moly .......
Use your time wisely, youngins’!
words of wisdom
I’m tryin', but I find anxiety caused by among other things... our kids !..... is forcing me to turn to familiar music (from my youth) comforts the soul ... its delaying me from discovering the new for me music waiting on the shelves.
No, I'm picking mine up on Monday. As the interior compartments are essentially 13" cubes (height, width, and depth), it's perfect for LP's. And it has a rear panel! It also displays much less swaying left-to-right than the backless Ikea shelving units. The EKET is a little more dough than them, but not by much. I really like the charcoal color available.
jt, I’m getting six of the 4-compartment 27-1/2" x 27-1/2" x 13-3/4" EKET’s, stacking them three high as two separate racks (a 12-pack of connecting hardware is available for securing multiple EKET’s to each other for stability, a real good idea). For the base of each stack I’m going with the 27-1/2" x 13-3/4" birch "underframe". Since the 4-cube EKET is 2 compartments wide, I too thought it might not be supported enough in the middle for the weight of LP’s by the long span of that underframe, as the frame has a foot at each of its four corners only, not in the middle of its 27-1/2" length. What one can do is get two of the shorter underframes, which are 9-7/8" long, rather than one long one. Two of the shorter frames side-by-side are the same length as a single longer one, but there will then be support in the middle of the EKET provided by the two "inner" feet of each underframe---the two 9-7/8" underframes will meet in the middle of the 2-compartment wide EKET, providing support there. I took a look at the longer underframe, and it appears plenty stiff enough to not bow under the weight of even a fully-loaded 2-cube wide EKET. But for anyone wanting to take extra precaution that option is available. The legs of the underframe, by the way, have height-adjustable feet, for leveling. The longer underframe is priced at $15, the shorter at $10.
jt, take a look at the listing of the double EKET on the IKEA site. It is two of the 4-compartment models side-by-side, with a long underframe under each unit. IKEA sells that combination (two 4-compartment EKET's, two long underframes) as a separate model, but it's priced the same as buying each piece separately, no price break. The pic of it shows you exactly what it will look like.
Hey bdp24, thank you for all your info on the IKEA EKET solution for LPs! I’m considering buying some Eket cubes for my rapidly growing collection (and shrinking wallet), but before I make a trip to my nearest Ikea store I’m really interested in hearing your experience with storing LPs in them? My worry is that the cubes are just a liiittle bit too small for the LPs, like when you have filled a cube with LPs you can’t even get a finger in the gap above the cover. Am I right or wrong? Again, thanks a lot for your input.
g-klaven, the 13" interior dimensions (height, width, depth) of the compartments in the EKET is perfect for LP's imo. With the front of each LP about 3/4" from the front of the EKET, and the top of each LP about 3/4" from the shelf above it, it is no problem to get a finger between the LP covers top and the shelf. If one keeps his LP's snug but not tight (as one should, to prevent ring wear), a finger can also be inserted between LP's to remove one. If one desires more space, the Ikea Kallax provides that.
I aso got interested in the IKEA Eket but am a bit sceptical if the shelves can really support the weight of 60+ vinyls. According to IKEA they can carry up to 15kg...
I also wonder if the single cubicles (not the 2x2 cubicles) can accommodate vinyls. To me they look much nicer than the 2x2 but I am afraid they are not high enough for LPs, especially when the covers are in protective plastic sleeves that are slightly larger than your average LP cover.
I have only a few special boxsets taller than 12-7/8", the interior height of the EKET. Anyone contemplating purchasing them can measure their LP’s to see if 12-7/8" will do. As for weight capacity, the EKET seems sturdier to me than does the Kallax, which a lot of collectors have been using without incident for a few years. Ikea specifies 29 lbs. maximum for each Kallax shelf, 33 for each in the EKET.
Thanks but the EKET are sit on the floor which makes them way too low. Eket has wall cabinet suspension rails but I would not trust them since the weight of LP's accumulate to remarkably heavy loads.. I will keep my eye on a piece of furniture with many drawers. 2nd hand stores are loaded with great used quality furniture that my offer exactly what you are looking for to house your record collection.
There are a few differences between the two:
1- The Valje is 11-3/4" deep, the Eket 13-3/4".
2- The Valje is 59" tall by 39-3/8" wide, and priced at $149. The Eket is 27-1/2" square at $50. So for the price of one Valje, one can get three Eket’s. For $149, a single Valje provides 157 linear feet of shelf space; for $150, three Eket’s 165 feet.
3- Each shelf of the Eket is divided into two identical 12-3/4" wide cubicles. Each shelf in the Valje is divided into two different width cubicles, one twice the width of the other. At roughly 39" wide, that’s about 13" for the smaller cubicle, 26" for the wider. I don’t like LP’s in a space with supporting walls that far apart. The wider the space, the more weight and pressure is exerted on warpable LP’s.
4- The Eket can be stacked three units high (as are mine), for a total height of 7’ 2" (including the optional 4" tall "underframe"). The hardware for attaching one Eket to another is provided with each, holes drilled into the rear of each Eket to accept the brackets that do so. The Valje, at 59" tall, can not be stacked in a room with the common 8’ high ceiling, requiring at least 10’. Plus, means of securing one Valje to another is not designed into the unit. The top shelf of the 7’ 2" tall stack of three Eket’s can be easily reached; the top shelf of an almost 10’ tall stack of two Valje’s not so much.
+bdp24 "The Expidit was the model the Kallax is a replacement for. There was such an outcry when the Expidit was discontinued that Ikea reintroduced it as the Kallax, the name being the only difference between the two."
The outcry was pointless as the Kallax was introduced with thinner and less weight for maximizing shipping costs and minimizing material usage to keep with Ikea's "green" campaign of sustainable products........... That is why the Expedit was dropped for the lighter yet just as stable Kallax series.........
When I said their names was the only difference between the Expidit and Kallax, I was speaking in terms of the over-all dimensions, style (room divider with no back panel), and LP capacity. At a glance, they look very, very similar, if not identical.
To me it’s now moot, as I much prefer the design of the Eket. I bought six of the 4-cubicle version (27-1/2" height and width, 13-3/4" depth, with a back panel---perfect for LP’s!), making two stacks of 3-Eket high units, each stack on the optional 4" high base unit. My search for LP storage is over!
I just bought a Kallax shelving unit, it has the ability ( which I added) of having caster feet if utilized horizontally, and therefore can roll. It looked to me as if the Eket shelving was far less beefy than the Kallax. For a little money, this Kallax is going to do the trick for multi LP storage.
When you go to roll the Kallax on it’s casters, push near the bottom of it’s side, rather than the middle, or even worse, near it’s top. Perhaps because it has no back panel, the Kallax exhibits some "give" in the lateral direction. I pushed on the top corner at one end of both the 16-cubicle and 25-cubicle Kallax, and they weren’t completely stiff---the whole assembly became out of square. I did the same with the 4-cubicle Eket, and the box remained square, showing no sign of movement. Now that I have assembled my Ekets, I can attest to their structural strength and stiffness.
There have been reports of the larger (16 and 25 cube) Kallaxs collapsing when fully loaded with LP’s. When I was going to go with them, I was intending to get multiples of the 8-cubicle version, as many as necessary to hold all my LPs. I would lay the Kallax on it’s side---horizontally as Davey intends, rather than place it vertically, standing up. Adding a cross-member to the back of the Kallax, as some have done, is also an idea worth considering. The Kallax is definitely the best value around, the cost per LP very low. Just be gentle with them once they’re loaded!
By the way, the "beefiness" of the Kallax, if it is perceived that way because of the thickness of it’s outer panels, is illusionary. Those panels are made of lightweight pressed-fibreboard, that "hollow-core" stuff, as are those of the Eket. The Kallax’s thicker outer panels, in comparison the those of the Eket, provide no additional strength.
I assembled the six 4-cubicle EKET's I bought, in two stacks of three cabinets. Each group of three cabs are fastened together on the back, and screwed onto the 4" high, 4-legged base with adjustable feet (for leveling) that IKEA offers for the EKET. When the back panel is slid into place, the final (top) panel installed, and the little plugs inserted into the cabinets rear, the finished EKET is very structurally stiff and inflexible. When mounted onto the base, place against a wall, and fully loaded with the LP's, the stack is absolutely unmovable! It feels like it's part of the rooms structure, as if it's built in.
The six cabinets didn't provide as much LP storage as I require, so I went back and bought three more, and another base. I went up to the showroom to take another look at the KALLAX, particularly in terms of structural rigidity. After being surprised by just how stiff my stacks of EKET's are, I was now surprised by how wobbly the KALLAX is. I believe that rack can be considerably stiffened with the addition of cross supports on it's rear. Without them, I would not have enough confidence in the KALLAX to put my LP collection into one.
The Kallax and the earlier Expedit series would collapse from improper installation not by design. They need to be fixed to a back wall and that's just common sense. The directions support it and the brackets are supplied. Knocking the product for not following the supplied advise and overloading shelves with the unit placed on its side, not on its base is the biggest problem.
I find it odd that the Eket is being lauded as sturdier over the Kallax or older Expedit series. The latter two can hold twice the weight per shelf as the Eket can which is only 15 lbs per shelf the others are 29 lbs per shelf. At 50 lps approximately per shelf , 15 lbs of max load is pushing it on the Eket. The dimensions are not the only supplied data of the on line description.
I have an eight cube Expedit , ( 2, 4 cube units ) loaded with just with my Blue note and rare import lps, and unlike a unit in a showroom that is put together without load or fastening to a wall, by some kid,
these units are surprisingly strong and sturdy when put together and fastened properly. Probably a good reason why they were and are so popular. I have the majority of my other 8000 albums in shelving I made decades ago out of 3/4 Russian ply ( before it was as absurdly priced) , dado and glued in a dry basement room . Even given that overkill , I have no qualms or worries storing some of my most irreplaceable gems in the Expedit in the living room. I made a couple wooden crates that I swap out every couple weeks or so from the basement storage to keep rotation with less room taken up in the livingroom. I do like the look of the Eket on those wood bases though, but I wouldn't load them as heavily as the Expedit and feel as sure of its 15 lb per shelf rating vs the 29 lb rating of the Kallax and Expedit. I think either is a good economic choice when used properly and within their limits. A little dab of carpenters glue on those dowel pins is what many do to "stiffen them up" and either a back or fastened to the wall ( especially if you have kids or grandkids visiting) . What ever works , and its for keeping vinyl spinning is great in my book...................
The maximum load capability of a shelf is partially determined by what constitutes a shelf. The EKET 4-cube model (the largest EKET) has only two approximately 13" cubicles per shelf wide. The Kallax in available in many different configurations, the most commonly used by LP collectors being the 8 (2 cubicles wide x 4 cubes tall, or 4 cubes wide x 2 cubes tall), 16 (4 x 4), and 25 (5 x 5) cube models. The 16 and 25 are the same side-to-side and top-to-bottom, and must support considerably more weight than the EKET. The 8-cubicle can be positioned upright---in which case a shelf is 2-cubes wide, or laying down---4 cubes wide. Laying the Kallax on it's side---if space allows---would seem to me to be preferable.
One may also secured an EKET to the rear wall, but it is sufficiently stiff and well-braced to not require doing so, unlike the wobbly Kallax. The Kallax is also backless---allowing dust access to the LP cover opening, and is a couple of inches deeper than I prefer, though that can be cured, as others have pointed out, with the addition of a spacer behind the LP’s. Whichever IKEA model unit one chooses, it will provide LP storage at the cheapest price per LP that I have found.
The shelf's rating is per cube the same as it is for the Eket, except the Eket
will only hold half the rated weight of the other two. Laying the Kallax or Expedit on their sides defeats the purpose of being screwed from the top not from the sides. The best way for a horizontal 8 cube length is two , 4 cubes placed side by side if not braced from behind or within. Think of how a wall is constructed with a plate across the entire length top and bottom and the outer joists sitting ON and OVER the plates.Take those studs on either end and support them into the ends of the bottom and top plates and the wall is no longer supported at the ends or tied across the full length of it and all those other studs. A Header is useless tied into a kingstud without a jackstud to support the load on its ends. Same principle here. If you stay in the weight the shelf wont deflect and push the ends out which is why having them on their sides makes them fail .I'm NOT knocking the Eket as a choice at all, or stating the Kallax is a better choice, just stating the facts and how to avoid the failure of not setting them up properly and using them within their capabilities. I really like the look of the Eket on those platforms they sell. I have quite a few friends who hate either of them simply because they can't read the spines and/or refuse to alphabetize and sort albums in genre and like to flip through them like the record stores used, so they can see the covers. With a large collection and the space that would take and the absolute need to be rigidly fastened to a wall when weights shift outward, for me makes them impractical.
If I had a smaller, or some might say more sane record collection, I would , space permitting prefer flipping through them covers out.
One of the thriftiest and smartest uses I have seen for storage and audio rack combined was using the Expedits. A friend came up with this idea because of space and finances after a divorce. I thought it was brilliant and the end result
was a good looking , functional and vibration greatly reduced rack and album storage, that saved a lot of time and costs for the end result. He got four of the white Expedit (kallax) units on sale and arranged them side by side along the long wall in his living room. We got a sheet of 12 ft. long by 4 ft. wide no void maple veneered one side ply and I cut it so it ran full length of four units , one piece across top of 4 units and one for bottom. Measured and drilled exactly where each of the 4 long bolts was located on the top and bottom of each piece of ply. Put the bolts back in and 4 units were now a solid single unit you could stand /walk on. I fastened 5 pairs of feet on the bottom from Herbies with the damping and Teflon to slide easy he had bought. Tipped it upright ,wrapped the exposed edges with maple veneer , sealed it and load it up. Room for 800 albums , he has his turntable on a sand box, and integrated tube amp, small footprint phono pre (Graham Slee Reflex) and cd player all sitting on herbies footers I had and were not being used, with monitors toed in and the TV wall mounted . I made him some doors for each individual cube to finish it off , and with the leftover ply 2 shelves either side of his TV wall mounted for his CD's and it looks great, his system sounds great and was really inexpensive for all it does. It put the whole necessity is the mother of invention thing back into perspective again for me in regards to practical vs. how carried away we can get sometimes....
I'm sitting on top of 2 fully loaded Expedits in my living room in the profile pic I added to show, stacked together with my 185 lbs, 400 albums weight, and the weight of a drawer with about a hundred sacd's sitting between the Expedits,.....
I wobble more than the shelf ever will ...
That looks REALLY nice, shadorne. The problem is each cube is $89, so a cube of four costs $356. The 4-cubicle EKET is $50. I bought nine EKET for $450; the comparable Simple Woods cubes would be $3204! That will buy a lot of LP’s. Yep, you're right, Ikea is junk, but I choose to spend the money saved on cheap LP storage instead on the Trans-Fi Terminator Arm I just ordered, and an LP flattener, and a diy ultrasonic record cleaner, not to mention more LP's!
has2be, your project for your friend also sounds fantastic. You’re quite a pal! The 4 x 4 Kallax is the best LP storage deal around---sixteen approximately 13" cubicles for $109!
Thanks, bdp24. He bought 4 of the single 4 cube units at 39 a piece on sale
so 156 , plus the 140 dollar sheet of ply and I think he paid 170 for the 10
Herbies threaded gliders plus some edge veneer and a few small costs for finish
etc.. All in it was just over 550 bucks to store all his records and cd's plus a solid foundation well isolated from floor vibration for his system and speakers. His idea to use 4 single units and tying them all to one length of solid ply at the 16 bolt points of the kallax units top and bottom made it sturdy enough to jump up and down on, literally. We both stood on it holding his TV when we mounted it to the wall bracket as well as the shelves for his cd's .
Considering he couldn't buy four of those nice looking units Shadorne posted to only hold 280 albums for the same price vs storing 800 albums, supporting a nice hefty system and about 300 cd's on wall shelves, and look good while actually adding good isolation and some dampening from the floor.....no brainer, my friends idea was solid, inexpensive and works with style. I may of had the tools and the ability but it takes a good, simple solid idea to get results that good and so absurdly, reasonably priced.
I'm not a fan of chipboard myself either, Shadorne, at all. When I built my home, plywood sheeting on the roof and floors, no mdf or chipboard kitchen cabinets or mdf moulding. All solid hardwood faces, real wood void free veneered Baltic ply for cabinets and natural birch ply for drawers and hardwood casing and trim. Furniture I prefer and build with real solids and ply veneers .
But this is one instance, I simply can't argue the amount of time, money and effort it saved to McGiver inexpensive Ikea units and marry them with the strength of 3/4 quality ply , with a nice real wood, maple one sided veneer , on top of a result that looks so good, is rock solid and functions so well as a rack and album storage . Its nice to see that different choices are out there for everyone's different needs and reasoning. That's healthy to have choices to suit individual, needs, wants and reasoning.