Never Spend More On Cables Than Your Equipment Cost$$$$$$$$$$
Another interesting read and I agree!
Not a flat earther and cables can make a difference but sticking a $600.00 PC on a $699.00 DAC is a freaking waste of money. IMHO.
As one of my racing instructors Fast Freddy Spencer used to say "Gotta have the apple before you can polish it" .
Spend the money on front end then upgrade your cables.
Just me thinking out loud.
Somewhat agree I would not go out of my way or intentionally seek a cable costing as much or more than a component. Most components typically have a power cable and a IC or digital cable connecting, and if a preamp there may be several IC’s that equal or surpass the cost. In my system only my DAC has associated cables exceeding its cost, but because I pulled my preamp out of the chain and feeding my DAC directly to my amp(s) and I’m very impressed and not sure I’ll roll my preamp back in until I want to spin vinyl. I think with a lower level of cables I would not be as impressed, but the more expensive cables are letting my DAC play to its full capability. This is my DAC and current cables.
RME ADI 2fs DAC w/Teddy Pardo LPS w/SR Orange. Nordost Frey 2 2M Balance IC, Nordost Silver Shadow spdif and WyWires Silver Juice II Digital PC. So I’m guessing the cables here are 2X the price but it sounds great.
Like so many of the audio "truths" we throw around, the one that says cables should only cost 10% of your system is overly simplistic, IMO. Yes - when you are buying a new system and you have a limited budget, I totally agree that you should spend 90% on the components. No question. But after you have stuff you really like and want to bring out it’s full potential, I think it’s a good idea to at least try some relatively expensive cables after you have saved up some additional funds. Although I’ve been involved in high-end audio since the Dahlquist/Ampzilla days, I never experimented with more expensive cables until recently and I was very surprised by the amount of improvement that can be gained with better cables. For example, I am currently using a $1500 Purist Neptune IC on a 5K amp/dac combo and I was amazed at the improvement over a very decent Black Cat IC. As I said, if I were building the system from scratch, I would not have done it that way, but I really liked the DAC and amp and was curious to see what a good cable could do. And it did a lot. Just my opinion, but at least it's based on first-hand experience, not something I read.
PS - I just did some quick math and, despite the admittedly expensive IC, I’m only into about 20% of my system for cables. Probably because I don’t have room for heavy power cords. So I don’t feel so bad now. Boy, this stuff adds up fast, don’t it?
@jerryg123 RE: ....
So here’s the problem with this particular train of thought...
Using a really good power cable - and there are some out there starting around $350 - will improve the performance of a component far beyond what a stock power cable can achieve
Whereas - the amplifier has a much more robust power supply
Todays electronics tend to perform much better than their power supplies allow. So using a good quality power cable can make a significant perofrmance improvement
I know this after many years of fabricating my own power cables and applying them to a variety of components,.e.g..
All of these benefitted from cable upgrades
Of course - if your other cables (i.e. speaker and interconnect) are not of a similar quality then you will probably have more difficulty hearing the improvements a power cable upgrade might make
I have come to realize that my cables are as important as my components, because they allow each component to operate at peek performance
I realize this may sound counter intuitive, and if I hadn’t tried it for myself, I might believe the same as yourself.
But I have spent many years investigating cable designs and actually proving (to myself and friends willing to listen) what makes a good cable.
Commercial products from Zavfino are a very good place to start because their entry level cables are affordable and they work because they know how to make a very good cable - their UP-OCC cables offer exceptional perofrmance
Hope that helps - Steve
@williewonka - just got Zavfino cables for my new speakers a few weeks ago, and they're great - you are right - excellent cable value for money! Never heard of 'em until this forum....
@williewonka you work for CNN?
You left off 1/2 my statement. Not a flat earther and cables can make a difference
I am not a cable denier.
No fight here bubba!
For fans of UP-OCC copper, here's an interesting document that you should read.
Audio Sensibility is another maker that's often overlooked on this forum.
The document also contains interesting info. on other makers licensed for OCC.
@jerryg123 - my apologies - but the last part of your statement did seem to be - a tad on the skeptical side ? 😉
But I do get where you are coming from - it can seem a little absurd to those that have not experienced a great cable - i.e. until they hear the difference😮
Happy listening - Steve😎
So many cable opinions, so few audio examples.
Last year I recorded several speaker cables in my mastering lab with DPA reference mics, a Neve preamp and carefully studied the differences with a mastering DAC and headphones.
My conclusion was that while those cables did sound different, those differences were small. I noticed the biggest differences between cables of different gauges. The 10 gauge slightly emphasized the lows and and the smaller gauges did the opposite. If anyone thinks they could listen to a music sample, connect different cables and sit down and hear the differences, sorry, not a chance. Tilting your head in a different position would cause more of a change than the cables did.
I also found that by adjusting the samples with a good EQ using usually less than 1/2 db, I could make any of the cables sound like the others. Like someone said, it's your money but I'd much rather have reasonably good cables and an exceptional EQ than the opposite.