Neil Young calls out Tidal

And because some here dont have a clue about "democracy"and his relation to medecine, i suggest Joe Rogan last interview with an EX-Islamist who became a true democrat decades ago and who willl explain the actual world situation to you....

a crackpot?

No need to apologize i am sure that 3 hours of working brain work is sometimes asking too much....

 

 

 

It is like in audio where most people mistook the marketting engineering publicities measures with real acoustic experience...

The publicity is not even wrong , it is an half truth...A lie by omission to sell the gear....

Because the acoustic experience cannot be reduced to a limited choices of engineering "truths".....

How many doctors can separate the pharma propaganda from scientific medical true concrete individual experience and "art" and are enough strong in themselves to do so?

The big pharma want to replace human experience and relation with A.I. system expert at the end and subordinate human to abstract protocol... .... I am not against the value of using tech , i am against technological tyranny and the erasing of human relations in the medical field...And this problem in the medical field is only a small part of the universal control by corporations anyway....

In audio it is very easy to spot the "illusion" coming with the programmation of the consumers mind.... Suffice to experiment with acoustic versus upgrading an amplifier or any other piece of gear to know the difference...

In medecine also it is easy to spot pharma tyranny .....Save for ostrich and programmed consumers....

My hobby was never an upgrade journey, it was an acoustic initiation among other things...

Ignorance is most of the time a voluntary act....Because the cost of the opposite is too much higher or time consuming ....

Free men are alone more than ever....

Obviously with a few crackpots on Joe Rogan

By the way calling one of the most known scientist in america, a "crackpot" say a lot about you.... Read about doctor McCullough.... Right or wrong, he is not and never was a crackpot...

But writing this about him make you more than a "crackpot" or less than a "crackpot" it make you an " ignorant"... Sorry.... vocabulary matter....

How must we call you if Dr McCullough is a crackpot?

You bought that reading his wikipedia article falsehood about "misinformation", forgetting about all his worldwide scientific reputation and career because some PAID fact cheker of wiki said so?

How do you call Dr. Fauci compared to him who is a real doctor and scientist in many fields which included covid treatment who are  famous worldwide, Fauci who NEVER adress concretely in practice ANY covid patient in all the last 2 years because he was a doctor only by name, i am curious? You dont know about remdesivir protocol used by Fauci  i suppose?

I am flabbergasted by bad faith or /and ignorance....

Stupid people dont want a "free voice" nor a free broadcast, they want OFFICIAL chaining of the truth....I am flabbergasted...Orwelll explain it all long ago but who read books  anyway?

I live in Canada where the most pacific and the biggest democratic manifestation ever was just put to an end with force and with new tyrannical war time measures "law" and where an older woman with an ambulatory manifesting was trampled yesterday by police horse?

This sound a bell in your brain?

I think the same about you than about mapman...

Thanks to be rational....

You are right about this thread now...I will not post other answers....Save if someone attack me...

By the way a PUBLIC appeal to censorship of scientists of different voices is WORST than censoring someone or something for ourself...

i need stoic philosophy you are right about that...

But you need to inform yourself about the actual greatest crisis in totalitarian control... It is not conspiracy theory... It is not even conspiracy at all... the big corporations DONT HIDE their goal at all.... But people dont read...

They dont know that Trudeau made his apprentiship in politic like Macron at Davos under Klaus Schwab...The great priest of transhumanist ONE world government and no more privacy for anyone like China ...... It is not a conspiracy it is a process that begun  under your eyes and not hidden at all...

 

My deepest respect for you...

Regarding Neil Young, he can’t censor…

You often refer to your extensive study of philosophy…it might be of some comfort to revisit Stoic Philosophy.

 

 

I greatly appreciate your honesty and humility and wise attitude...

You are right for sure about me...

But in this critical situation now that most people dont even imagine i have an excuse for my rant here against censorhip and indoctrination by fear...Perhaps if you are right with my unwise rant i am right about the general situation..

By the way my posts were against  forced mass vaccinations remember, not against targetted at risk people vaccinations which is necessary ... And about treatment that were criminally banned... It is my only excuse...And on that i am right...

I will be happy if we stay friend...

@mahgister

hate to say it my friend but you have jumped the shark per se. You discredit scientists you disagree with like Dr. Fauci then come right back and criticize others for doing same to the ones you like.

I know you are smart and fair and will realize this. Perhaps do not be so fast on the trigger when posting. Don’t let your emotions replace rational thought.

Also I much prefer your embedding related posts here. At least that has relevance to the purpose of the site and just in case perhaps you are wrong about something, no big deal. Its only hifi, not people’s health and well being.

 

 

I have many virologists friend on the net...

Very simple you pick many you trust and instead of one you have ten...

This is only one : Didier Raoult.... one of the Top virologist in the world...

I go with what he say and many others virologist say the same thing than him...

Then saying that this thread content is all void because you have a virologist friend means what?

many virologists go with their story for their own sake... Being a virologist dont make you an independant completely true and free scientist...

What do you think pay for many virologists research and fund?

mass inforced vaccinations of all people for a coronavirus is stupid, especially with an untested technology...If you think this technology was tested before you are deluded...

No need to be a virologist to know, any simple doctor know, that we must treat people if available drug are there... They were banned not by virologists though guess why whom?

Vaccination make sense for at risk people, especially with this virus...because all the other can be treated with simple existing drugs that were all banned for sure...

no need to be friend with a virologist to know that...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another who dont undestand the difference between the end of commercial  contract and a POLTICAL PUBLIC appeal to censordhip against  2 scientists and ACCUSING them of criminals desinformation with NO background in science to do so...He even never listened to them this last 6 hours...

 

Neil is within his rights to cancel a contract. Period. That’s not censorship, its a choice. He’s just notifying anyone who will listen that he does not want to be associated with someone that he feels is misinforming the general public (for profit, shock profit) on an issue that can have severe consequences for some.

You are right life is too short, way too short  to speak with dudes who judge people more than their opinions...

The reason i spoke here is because i supposed they are more people like me here who judge opinion not the people first and last ...

We are all people here not some "kinds of people"....

By the way i dont belong to a gang.... Speak to me WITHOUT putting me in a group here...

Did you catch why?

When people are unable to make a point in a rational discussion guess what they do...

Need a drawing?

 

Life is too short to argue with these kinds of people.

 

I understand your point...

You seems a rational person...

I am a bit too passionate character...

I will not discuss your posts more...

Thanks 

By the way i dont fear this virus at all after 2 times...

I lived through it... Some 1% died who catch it for sure...

This is a dangerous virus no question about that here it is not a flu...

 

But studying the reports world wide i am in fear right now, and terrified about the long term effects of the vaccines itself on health which begin to manifest world wide now......Only uninformed people dont know that...

NOBODY, no doctors even doctors of international reputation can speak about their discoveries of this negative very dangerous effect of the mRna vaccines ... Chicken brain here call them anti vaxxers thats all...

I dont post about that here because most people dont have a clue about anything they dont READ and study simply......It is like audio they upgrade because all people do it they dont study acoustic...

 

I posted ONLY about the forced MASSIVE insane undemocratic unscientific measure taken in north America like in Chinese dictatorship : confinement and imposed massive vaccinations... Instead of low cost preventive treatment which are all BANNED here, and vaccination targetting only at risk people...Instead of this sane course we imitated China...

But if you think that this virus was dangerous wait till the long term effects of this vaccines appear completely to sight... It is already manifesting but not ON OFFICIAL NEWS...

Guess why?

Calling top doctors making autopsies of dead vaccinated people deluded will not help here...

Calling the official report of US army false will not help either...

Calling all people who work but say the opposite of corporate paid puppets will not help either...

i prefer to trust nobel medecine Luc Montagnier than crook Fauci... A proven crook save for the american public deluded by the power of his news media . ...

 

Yes he have the right to do so...

But why calling for censorship instead of only saying his opinion ? this is the matter...

Neil Young is too stupid to debate and critic Rogan and his interviewed scientists?

Why did he never discuss WHY they are allegedly  misinformed?

Why?

Because he is a sleepwalker unable to understand anything...

Freedom to speak dont excuse speaking about censorship of free voices and calling for it sorry...

@mahgister Neil Young has the right to speak his mind as much as Joe Rogan or you or I. I’m unconcerned what either Neil or Joe have to say.

Here respectfully you lie by omission...

The essential fact is not for Neil Young the right to keep or retire his music...He could have done so in another way...His intention was CENSORING appeal against Rogan free voice and top world scientists opinion ...

the essential fact IS  his PUBLIC claim about misinformation accusation  and his appeal to ban Joe Rogan by setting a public example with his action... It is not a contract freedom right at all here the problem...

I am outraged by the general censorship everywhere...You dont even see it at all... WHY ?

I’m merely saying Neil Young said to Spotify "Take down my stuff if this is OK with you".

 

You point is completely wrong...Not it is not wrong it is worst than that, your point is an half truth than worst than a lie...

So beside the point that if you dont know why you are unable to understand anything in this crisis...

It can’t be censorship unless its the government censoring

Why do you think there is universal ban over anyone who ever spoke against basic low cost treatment not only in official news media but by all big tech corporation likegoogle, tweeter and the like? Corporations has the right now to decide about truth?

Do you live in a Walt Disney World of your own ?

The US is all about censorship, open your TV set please...And think... Why do you think it is so?

not because Biden order it at all it is because those who are behind the wheel are the big corporations...Biden is a puppet, like Trudeau, like Marcon ...Xi is not a puppet nor Putin they are dictators...There is no democracy in an oligarchy corporate direction of the North america....Why do you think all vaccinated Truckers in canada are protesting?

Neil Young falsely accusing of misinformation top world renown scientists is one thing , but appealing to ban any site who will give them a voice because Neil Young said so is another thing completely...

What is the matter here has nothing to do with the right of Neil Young to keep or retire his music from spotify NOTHING at all...Nothing to do with contract right...

Are you able to understand these simple facts?

In this case, its a contractual dispute between parties

Yes you are right...At first glance it seems so indeed... This is an audio forum...

But we have an excuse : democracy, freedom a world wide crisis a fascist orientation of democracies ... is it not enough to be mad?

Do yo have the minimal emotional intelligence to be wise enough and not rant against  ranting people you consider mad?

Change thread if you are so disturbed... is it not simple? Or are you a ranting children with no motives to rant at all save annoying concerned people here?

There is a reason why i rant....In this Senile Neil Young thread about censorship....

 

I’m whining because a few of you rant and rant and rant and rant and rant and then rant some more. Do you not have the emotional intelligence to know what’s appropriate and what’s not?

The non vaccinated are not the jews...

The corporations who are the true non elected authorities behind all this with all bought politicians are not the nazis...

the differences between vaccinates and non vaccinated had little to do with distinction between "genuine" germans and jews for sure then speaking about the holocaust is meaningless...

Then dont speak about the holocaust here please....

 

 

But when it is said...

Fascism is defined to be the amalgamation of politic with corporate power , and we live in fascists countries in France , in Canada, And in the Us right now..

No proof needed at all... It is so evident they dont mask it....I will not even try to explaining that because if someone is so ill informed to contest that it is useless to speak with him...

You cannot argue with ostrichs politic stances...

Why do you think Puppet Trudeau bought 400 millions of dose for 40 millions of canadians?

Because he make personal profit about it and detain personal portfolio of actions in pharmaceuticals and they are other reason also....Guess which they are?

 

 

It is a worldwide crisis... There will be others crisis after this one...Yes but saying that is saying nothing at all...

Democacry versus corporate power is at stake here ...Nothing less..

@mahgister how are you my friend?

i am friend with everyone here if he want to also, why not?

I discuss with mapman for example and we dont have the same opinion but i consider it a friend... All friends are not roomates...All of my friends dont think the same as me...

 

And yes we cannot discuss with people interested only by audio upgrade in this crisis...

And yes i am completely foollish to do so mapman...

But stop calling others misinformed it is evident you dont have read anything about this crisis save Dr Fauci opinions...

i Prefer to be a fool than to be an ostrich...

They are plenty of threads here where nobody talk about these critical matters...

Why are you here complaining?

Neil Young = censorship appeal...

Is it not enough?

There is a worldwide crisis and you think about speaking  audio all the time and only about that?

Why not respecting the many people who are also concerned, and why the unconcerned dont go to an another thread about "important audio matter upgrade" ?

Why whining ?

Too ignorant to be concerned?

And what does any of this have to do with audio or music? Aren’t there more appropriate platforms for your "thoughts"?

In a nuclear war you will think about an upgrade?

 

There is no democracy nor science fact ruling in canada for the last 2 years...

Fear rule and corporate dictum...

It is the same in the US...

NO DEMOCRACY at all....we will be like china in few years if we dont protest against corporations ruling OVER the laws and over science... Anyway medical science exist no more...They are bought....And the true unbought scientists are censored and some say it is a tempest in a glass of water...This is a PROVEN fact by the way not my opinion...If you dont know that you know nothing...I can prove it if someone is ignorant and back it by a former director of the greatest medical journal in the world is it enough?

 

If it is not wearing blinders or keeping his head in the sand i dont know what it is....

Excuse me but your argument is ridiculous here for many reasons...

Electing someone who work hard to be elected is not a proof that you are in a democracy...

There is no check or balance more powerful than corporate lobbies in US... NONE...Corporate lobby decide they own the information too and control it like in this Vaccines hysteria...

And Fauci is a despot and he never have total control save in medical research science for 40 years...this is PROVEN fact...

Things are not like your Disney World vision of the US... Sorry...

 

@mahgister true some up there maybe most are driven by power and money and all those things that many crave. But in USA they also have to get elected to attain that power. That is part of teh checks and balances. As long as those are in place, it will all work out in the end. Otherwise, if say a despot gains total control, then we are in trouble. It happens. We’ve all seen it attempt to play out in public view here in recent years. Don’t let it! Don’t let fear be the motivating force. They call it the Dark side for a reason. Cheers!

i am glad to say that you are right blaming people to be stupid is itself a stupidity...

i am not perfect in the fire of a discussion...

But you are wrong about a point :those who TRULY are at the high level of power are psychopaths...being at the high level of power is their goal in life...

if you dont read and study about psychopaths you will not know why it is so...I cannot enter into this matter here...

Very intelligent people DONT RUN THE SHOW ever and dont wanted to generally ...

Geniuses create they dont give a dam about power...Autistic and asperger people and very talented people create and need their free time to create more ...Psychopath cannot create and dont want...Guess why if you know what a psychopath is ? It is because their goal is controlling everything around them it takes all their time... Their only LONG TERM goal is control and it is ALSO their first short term goal , control... And psychopath own a very low level of fear....They aremade to be leader willing it or not because they can eliminate any more competent but less psychpathic competition...They own no remorse...

By the way psychopath are not all also sociopaths... most psychopaths will never be direct murderers and are not all heavy violent...Corporate leaders a great % of them are psychopaths which seems to lead normal life...read science book about psychopaths easy to verify...

 there is 3 % of psychopaths in the population... And probably 25 % of corporate leaders are psychopaths at least...Because there exist a direct link between leadership ambition and this pathology of the mind...

 

50% of people are in fact smarter than the average bear and harder to fool.

50% not so much

Smart people tend to rule. Some are honest, some less so.

Blaming where we are on people being stupid is not a rational argument. Some of those people are probably even smarter than any of us. Plus some have access to ALL the data. We don’t.

Just saying. Rant on but would prefer you get some rest and get back to normal first.

 

A point which is evident for me because i made an extensive research for 6 months is the degree of ignorance about the UNTESTED and potential very high risks of this mRNA vaccines not only at short term with negative adverse events but LONG term on the population...

Not one here speaking about vaccinated ALL people MASSIVELY even the young and the pregant women,  seems to know that at all and taking that into account ...

Astounding level of ignorance...

But No official news media spoke about that... I am retired and i have the time to do some research ...

People are easy to fool, they will believe anything which is believed by the majority of people around them... It is normal, but when this faith collide with delicate matter that does not work... What the majority believe in has nothing do do with science ...

And there is no consensus in science but DEBATES...but here about covid we have on the right experts PAID by corporations and experts FREE of any links who spoke freely... it is easy to see which are the truest...

If you censor debates like senile Neil Young did you destroy science and freedom...

Is it difficult to understand a thing so simple?

 

 

Taking vitamin D vitamin c and zinc etc is not a great hard task... Almost all people know their medical history in rich country anyway... By the way when on TV Fauci did ever recommend people to take simple preventive measure like the one i just listed ? asked yourself why?

1) some people do not go to doctors - they obviously don’t care about their health, but their carelessness can hurt others by causing health care shortages 2) You don’t need a treatment if you are not sick

Yes it is a huge amount but not unlike some flu of the past, this does not justify the shutdown of economy by the measure taken worlwide in rich countries especially ..

.3)1% is a huge amount of people

You are right, you NEVER say that and this indicate some ignorance level because a majority of the deaths of covid from people who are not too old and with no  co morbidities were caused by the ABSENCE of preventive treatment, i dont mean a treatment who will prevent the virus here but a treatment which will prevent the worst outcome of effects and because it is SCIENTIFICALLY established i dont even need to give a link if you dont know that  already, you know nothing...

4) Did I say anything about shutting down economies, and who says the people who didn’t want to get vaxxed would have sought out your preventive treatments or taken vitamin c

All the sientists i spoke about in this post of mine are AGAINST mass vaccination enforced on all people... They recommend ONLY target vaccinations for reason too numerous to list here...The only talking heads are disciple of Fauci on TV set...If you dont know the name of those scientists i spoke about it is because the like of Neil Young and thanks to corporation they are CENSORED and banned from ANY official media outlet... You dont live in a democracy in America, if you dont know that you are in a pre-china oligarchy dictatorship you are naive...

5) I was referring to individual personal physicians telling their patients who are not at risk of an adverse reaction to not get vaccinated quacks, not these others you list as scientists. There is a difference between talking heads and scientists and personal physicians who know someone’s personal history and have a vested interest in their health

Saying that to justify an insane politic consequence where you may loose your job and go on the street because of the big losses of jobs in the last 2 years is to say the least egoistical view...

7) they are not mandated - you can go work somewhere else - you can’t do that in places like China.

Thiis is true generally but no more when we apply artificial pressure on the virus normal population dynamic by UNCESSARY MASS VACCINATIONS instead od targetted vaccination ... It is all explained by Gert Van Den Bossche read him...It is too complicated to be put here call that epidemiology 101 by an ex Bill gates top expert...

Lastly - mutations seem to be less and less virulent -

The democrat in US and the republican half of them are complete idiots....Trump or Biden supporters are quacks and nuts at best...

In canada our number of idiots and sleepwalkers seems to be around 30 % who are with Trudeau at best...We dont own guns but we own trucks...

First point : it is easy to know if you have risks or not because of your medical history then deciding to vaccinate all because you say we dont know our own risk is ridiculous...

 

Second point: there exist many low cost treatment that where CRIMINALLY banned for those who dont need to be vaccinated..

 

Third point: the mortality rate is slightly around one %...

 

Four point: The sane epidemiological politic is evident even for someone with a brain and without medical experience... Instead of shutting down economies and killing people, and erasing freedom, the sane politic was treatment with very efficient low cost drug that already exist but were criminally BANNED... And vaccination of at risk people ONLY...
If they are unvaccinated patient in the hospitals it is also because all preventive treatment again severe consequences of the virus were BANNED... Think about that...
For example it is SCIETIFICALLY proved that all people gravely ill are vitamin D deficient...And anyway ask israely hospitals about vaccines efficiency...the vaccines dont make a great difference at all...

 

Five point : The risk of "negatives outcome from covid exceed the risk of the vaccines" is completely false... NOBODY knows the long term effect of the vaccine on all the population in the long term... And autopsies of people dead with vaccines are VERY ALARMING... But nothing of this is in the TV set ... Close you TV... And dont forgot the deaths associated with the insane shutdown of economies...It is proven that is it equal to covid deaths worlwide guess why? 

 

Six point : I dont listen Joe Rogan but his guests... i listened his 2 guests for 6 hours which are top scientist who spoke for Thousand of other doctors, the quack doctor here is Dr Fauci my friend...and i dont know but calling quack doctors these one :
Calling Nobel Prize winer of medecine Luc Montagnier a quack?
Calling Michael Yeadon Vice president of Pfizer top research scientist a quack ?
Calling Robert Malone the only one who own first patent on mRna vaccines a quack?
Calling Dr McCullough one of the greated specialist of covid tretment and one of the greatest cardiologistby citationsin the world a quack?
Calling Gert Van den Bossche who worked for Bill Gates one of his top scientist on vaccines a quack?

Before calling someone a quack INFORM YOURSELF...
The list of serious experts on my side is too long to be put here... Wo is the quack Fauci the liar or them ?

 

Seven point: how hypocrital and egoistical  to say that vaccines are not enforced but mandate and we are free...How about loosing his job and salary if you are in institution who mandate them ?

 Point Eight : This insane mass vaccination of all people also exert on the virus population a force that make it mutate more rapidly and with more risk to create very bad mutations... But this matter is too complex for people who do not understand even simple fact...

 

last point in the fever of a discussion we exhange hot words but i want to say that i do no think ill about you and i tank you for your wishes... I am passionate but i love everybody...

@mahgister - glad you are feeling OK. The problem with your logic is that many people are not aware they have comorbidity. Also, this affects overweight people disproportionately, something the media should be emphasizing (and living a healthier lifestyle), but somehow that is politically incorrect and I am sure some of these people do not think of themselves as overweight. I wouldn’t say the number of people badly affected is very small. It is in the millions. Very few of those are vaccinated, almost all of them have comorbidity. The hospitals (I spoke with a doctor the other day) are overwhelmed by unvaccinated patients because of omicron. Even though it is less virulent, the sheer number of people that caught it make even a very small number of those people needing significant medical attention too high for hospitals to handle their normal business. I am not saying not to treat the unvaccinated, but to give other patients that were vaccinated or in there for other urgent problems priority. The risk of negative outcomes for covid dwarfs the risk of the vaccine. It should be discussed with the patient’s personal doctor. They will not mandate (at least mine wouldn’t ever), they will recommend a course of action (I take my doctor’s advice and many times he asks me what I think and we decide together). If they think you will have no adverse reaction, I don’t envision any doctor except for quacks and complete outliers from the medical profession not recommending the vaccine. I am not talking about listening to corrupt politicians, government agencies or Joe Rogan or one of his guests (like Aaron Rogers did and then lied about it), YOUR DOCTOR. Report this

i feel ok...

It is the second time i had covid...I caught it one years ago already...it last 2 or 3 days...Fever and sore throat, extreme fatigue this first time...

It is not the regular flu at all...It is more dangerous yes...

But the number of people very badly affected is very small though... Mostly older one with co-morbidities...

I was ill for 2 days now this second time, and the symptoms already regressed this morning... I am 70 years old...vitamin c, vitamin d, curcuma, zinc+green tea, nigella sativa+ honey...It work read about it...it is less bad than the first time i caught it...But the duration is the same...

Vaccination MUST be targetting very old people or people with co-morbities or people with no great immune defense THATS ALL... Renouncing freedom for UNSCIENTIFIC MASS VACCINATION  is dumber than dumb....Censoring Joe Rogan because he interviewd two very great scientists is the door open to dictatorship by big corporations... Neil Young is senile...

Thanks for your concern....

i am not moved by ideals here so much if i am completely sincere, i am flabbergasted by stupidity who is ready to renounce freedom and welcome censorship and tracking of people...

I reacted to dumbness first and second to fear control system put in place by CORPORATIONS and governments .....

Trudeau is dumber than Biden who is already a bureaucrat idiot...

Freedom is oxigen we cannot bargain it.....

The most inhumane and stupid claim was made here: those unvaxx must be not accepted in hospital, then why treating smoker who smoke? why making chirurgy on drunk driver?

Dumber than dumb...

mahgister, I fear that you are so zealously pursuing your ideals that you are perhaps neglecting to let your body, mind and soul take sufficient rest to battle this terrible curse..

Is the internal report of the negative effects of the vaccines in the US army a fact explained by political flag name calling ?  Save for idiots:

 

 

I am a canadian than no MAGA flag in my yard...

 

Anyway only chicken brain in front of a complex situation rise a political binary flag to characterise ANYTHING, and especially a move against epidemiological elementary science and democracy and freedom of speech...I dont hope you will understand that....

The world is not divided between maga and others flag, awake ....

The "Pro MASSIVE vaccination of ALL people at all cost" are so dumb they repeat the same motto they hear by their TV set...We are us criminals and we must not be admitted in hospital and the disease is here because of us...So dumb and inhumane i cannot believe intelligent people repeat that...

Not one in this thread contradicted my arguments....

Numbers are easy to contradict in a propaganda era, they are falsified by corporations, then i cited NO NUMBERS but arguments not so easy to disbelieve....

And anyway it is very easy to spot when someone is unable to think by himself, brain mussels ask for minimal exercise many people never did... It appear evident in complex situation where they are like a sheeps herd easy to maneuver....This is the situation in the north America...

 

See what I mean. The MAGA are spouting their political beliefs on a stupid hifi forum. Fin

i dont hope anyone can cure the brain of someone calling for censorship and calling falsely some here anti vaccines when it is FALSE...

I am PRO vaccine ONLY for at risk people, AGAINST mass forced vaccinations, for the reasons i wrote about above, but i will not wait for your brain to figure out why....

Chicken brain also can only figure out binary choices ....

Sorry but you piss me off...

But welcome here i dont want to censor stupidity....guess why?

 

I truly hope a moderator deletes this thread. It has gone into wierd anti vaccine pro Covid territory.

Thanks very much mapman...

You are a friend and i apologize for my rant but between friend we may speak our mind...

 i am ok....

thanks for your heartfelt wishes....

 

It is the most important crisis since the world war and some who speak about it, because what is at stake is freedom itself, are called " baby crying"...

I had covid right now and spoke to a young nurse and she said to me , that non vaccinated people can transmit the disease even after being cured of it...BELIEVE IT OR NOT.....

 

Think about that?

 

Why do you think she spoke blatent absurdity seriously?

 

Because she has been brainwashed...BY FEAR and control....

 

Many people in America in PARTICULAR are brainwashed... Why?

Because their news media outlet is abyssally stupid...

And they take their information there...

it take me 6 months of reading non stop to figure that out....Then i cannot hope the regular dude here to undertand anything like this nurse...

 

 

It is like audio, it take me time to figure out why buying gear upgrade without end is so stupid when we ignore acoustic...

A problem cannot be understood without time et thinking...

And some here in the middle of the geatest crisis ever repeat common place stupidities...

It is an audio forum yes, but we are among "friends" and we can speak about the stupid Neil Young assault on liberty and appeal to censorship...

Are we stupid?

He sing so well he must be right?

I am not a "crying baby" i am a mature man angry like all Canada right now with the greatest PACIFIC manifestation EVER in the world ?

And this Neil Young thread i must speak about his talent right now?

Freedom to be treated by a free doctor in a free country matter most than the Neil Young music...

 

 

 

There is no scientific controversies about the family of corona viruses which is an airborne virus, mutating so rapidly, which make FORCED MASS VACCINATION complete stupidity scientifically..

Luc Montagnier Nobel of medecine said so... He is not alone at all... But they are all BANNED from any media and censored....Thanks to the like of senile Neil Young...

Why is this so ?

Because their mutation is so rapid that you cannot vaccinate once and for all...

You need a chain of boosters for each new set of mutation...Like the flu each winter but here our coronavirus mutate so swiftly that we need a booster each 4 months...With a complete new virus blueprint to use because old blueprint will not work...

Think :

The sane politic would be and are always be targeting specific vaccination of old people and people with co-mobidities...Not MASS vaxx of ALL....

Is it so difficult to figure out?

Insanity of Biden or Trump governments and Trudeau and Macron and Australia is astounding to see...

Arguing is useless...

Add to this insane FORCED MASS vaccination the UNKNOWN LONG TERM effect of this new technology on people...Especially the young...

I will not discuss the negatrive short term effects or many deaths...Why?

Because the long term effect on the young in particular of this insane experiment are way more fearful than the risk of short term effect or even death after this complete new vaccines technology never studied before using it...

All this points i just make a pure science and proven to be true...
Is it so difficult to catch this?

it seems it is too much to catch...

Why?

All people were infuced in a complete controlled fear mass hysteria...

it is a textbook exemple in psychology....Of the Ash experiment and Milgram experiment and some others...

Here people are so deluded they argue AGAINT or FOR the vaccine... The real debate is about forced insane vaxx and target specific vxx for at risk people...

it seems human brain is binary, against or for the vaxx.... An intelligent use of the vaxx is not in their brain window...

For sure the hand of criminal corporations is all around clearly to be seen here, yet people think Pfizer will help them... With 10 billions in criminal indictment for frauds in these last decade....Ask yourself why all low cost working treatment were BANNED? and HOW ?

But some will go on discuss against or for the vaxx till the end of the world...And go on accusing people to be criminal because they are agaisnt forced mass vaccinations...And say to them that they  will not be admitted in hospitals...

Resembling inhumane and stupid opinion has only be seen the last time in some past specific country history of the second world war...Guess which one?

 

Such a waste of time, not one person is going to change their position on the vaccine, everyone is dug in deep!

yuviarora

You resemble him now accusing me of being hypocrit instead of arguments.. you go too far...

He is not a psychopath..

Please restrain yourself here...

i apologize to be rude but i was speaking with him and i dont like that someone, agreeing with some of my arguments , accuse him falsely..

i write that because i dont want to be ASSOCIATED with your accusation toward him...

No ad hominem arguments make sense...

The brains of the population conformed by political slogans are not the brain of psychopath...

I dont want that he think i think so at all....

People like you that are callously making judgements about who should get to live or die are the very embodiment of a true psychopath

 

 

 

 

There is no FREE choice in the milirary personel for example about the FORCED vaccination...

No freedom at all ..Or do you think that they must be treated like obeying slaves?

Loosing his means to eat three meals by day or be vaccinated is not my definition of free choice...

do you need a drawing?

Why do you think the greatest PACIFIC manifestation of all time take place in canada with over millions of people synchronized together against totalitarian politic?

 

Before accusing me of hypocrisy think twice..I will let other judge me here reading my posts...

i freaked OUT ABOUT MASS VAXX MANDATED inforcing policy and UNIVERSAL censorship like the candian truckers did...

i freak out about idiots who separed people in two groups...And who repeat political slogans instead of thinking...

Am i an hypocrit? I will let others here with a brain decide for themselves what are the true matter of my posts about this situation...

But you are not the light illuminating the world...

"I am not judging you either" like you stupidly said accusing me of being an hypocrite one word after writing this sentence, instead of speaking about the matter behind this crisis... 

I quit ...

Write no more either ABOUT ME , let the Neil Young fan be happy...

@mahgister so we agree, you are a hypocrite.

To clarify, I am not judging you, like I said I am all for choice. You do you! I literally just asking you to live with the consequences of your choice, be accountable. It is however funny to see how hysterical you get.

I freak out because there exist many other people like you, insentitive, under influence, ignorant about all science , And you JUDGED others like you just did with me NEVER ANSWERING my arguments, instead accusing me of freaking out about hospital cost i have to pay..

Incredible!

I quit discussing with you , yes i freak out, but not for what you think at all...

You are previsible like a rock rolling from the top of a hill, repeating in your post the same accusing slogan like i just predicted you will do : unvaccinated must be out of hospital or pay...What a great view of the word! What a great understanding of events! What a great mind you are!

What a wise accountant you are indeed...I give you that you are a good accountant...

@mahgister no. You are the one upside down. Like I said, all I am asking you to do is live with the consequences of your choice, and you freak out. How hypocritical is that? If you really believe what you are posting, you should not have any issues with paying for healthcare or wait your turn. But instead you freak out. Clearly you either don’t actually believe the crap you are posting, or you truly see yourself as superior and you want to be the tyrant.

Before leaving i will explain to you what is thinking...

Free of charge...

Thinking is NOT First and last lending an intention to someone..

Thinking is in his working brain  being able and willing to pass on review the ARGUMENTS of someone, trying to understanding them and answering to them ONE by ONE..

Do you catch it?

 

You completely reverse the situation...

What is unethical is the imposition of an experimental vaxx , with no verified study of his effectiveness, with no informed consent because the companies dont even reveal the content in the vaxx, in a totalitarian way to ALL INDISCRIMINATELY which is scientifically pure stupidity...

And there you go dividing people using a complete insane politic to separate them coming from a TV set news... ..

Justifying all that with simplistic common place final argument you must pay for your behavior... Incredible deep thinking indeed...

And you declared any scientist incompetent if he dont repeat Fauci...

i wish you the best...

As soon as someone brings up accountability, you freak out.

it is not accountability that make me freak out it is stupidity...

Do you know how much people died in US because of the politic of Fauci only mandated forced remdesivir treatment which is toxic and intubation in the wrong way which is a fact proved , no basic low cost treatment they were all banned ... We wait for the vaxx said Fauci and the idiot Trump and the Biden fool repeated it.....

No you dont...

i give many arguments here you never answer one ...

Not one...

You repeated a POLITICAL mantra: not vaccinated must die...

 

Someone who give arguments may be wrong, but he cannot be called stupid especially if the arguments are not totally meaningless...But someone like you and Neil Young unable to give ONE argument and who repeat political slogan are in hypnosis to say the less offensive word....

Dont answer you will repeat the same song: "accountability", without even knowing WHO has written this slogan  tune...

And dont accuse me of repeating, i give MANY arguments and i can all explaining them ONE BY ONE but you cannot see even only one argument in my post so much you are under a trance...

I am freak out by the like of Neil Young and you... Yes...

 

 

A crowd of lemmings walking together toward an abyss is not for me the definition of "unethical" when one of the lemmings did not go with insane mass vaccinations...

Instead of critical thinking you propose a divide in the population that reflect a TV set programming..

 

And by way the ANYONE assimilating mRNa vaccines to other traditional vaccines is IGNORANT...PERIOD...

Another tactic assimilating ALL diseases together and all vaccines... Stupidity to the roof... all cases are different... STUDY please...

@mahgister Lol. You are saying the same thing again. It doesn’t make it any more true. If you as an unvaccinated force the death of someone else when you take up resources that most likely you didn’t need to take up if you were vaccinated.

how about that? this doctor is misinformed or you are?

I just catch covid from my wife which is tripled vaccinated so what is your point value?

ZERO...

Programmed fanaticism by official medias is not thinking...

«Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.»

 

I will add that criminally BANNED LOW COST treatments in the opposite of this vaxx make a difference in severe illness..

STUDY instead of repeating sleepwalking mantra of Fauci...And accusing me to be UNETHICAL because refuse an insane politic...

UNTARGETTED MASS VAXX INSTEAD of risk/benefit thinking before applying it at risk groups of people with co morbidities is not science at all... Study... A corona virus is not the shingle virus... AWAKE...

And stop calling thousand of scientists ignorant...Prof Yaakov Jerris is not an idiot...Neil Young is...

 

 

Sorry but you dont understand where this FALSE alternative come from; be vaccinated and be treated or be unvaccinated and not treated...

This come from UNSCIENTIFIC forced MASS vaccinations which is INSANE science imposed by hysteria and corporations...

Then the alternative you see as rational is pure dementia entertained by the dictatorship of big corporations NOT MEDECINE SCIENCE...

Suffice to cite many great scientists who say the same thing as me, as well as THOUSANDS of free doctors around the world, but they are ALL CENSORED and BANNED even Nobel prize winner in medecine like Luc Montagnier, and even the scientist who own the first many patents about mRNA technology, and even the Nobel prize winner who created the PVR technology ... Awake...Or stay with ignorant Neil Young...

I apologize to be rude here but....

i am flabbergasted by your way of judging what is "freedom"...

@mahgister You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You want to have the freedom to not be vaccinated, at the expense of people dying from car accidents, etc, that they didn’t have to. That is highly unethical.

You are right about the derailing of this thread...

But the actual  general censorship explain some reactions like mine here...

For the rest of your post claiming non vaccinated must die in their house, this reflect the complete hysteria and mass manipulation behind so much completely insane medical politic...

The fact that you are unable to see that reflect not only your lack of understanding about the situation ( forced massed vaccinations) but also your complete ignorance of medecine ethic and simple epidemiology about corona air borne virus whish ask for low cost treatment of the non problematic population and the vaccination targetting ONLY at risk people.. This is the sane medical politic...and a democratic act instead of inforcing mass stupidity and vaccines even for childrem or pregnant women... 

People are just stupid and ignorant, you can’t argue with that ever.

I will not add anything...

I just catch covid TODAY from my triple vaccinated wife and from my double vaccinated son...I am not vaccinated myself...I choose not for various reasons..

I NEVER SAID that we must not vaccinate some part of the population and those willing it...

I said that vaccinations must be for at risk old people with co morbidities and those who wanted it...

The truckers in Canada are almost all vaccinated save 20% of them max...

They manifested AGAINST forced madated confinement in ALL cases, closing of the economy, and forced vaccinations at work...

FREEDOM is the first health priority for most of us especially the young people... The state of the immune system in young people is CORRELATED with freedom......

My dear friend i hope you will not count me amongst the "nuts" who are against all vaccinations in any form and for all... I am not....

But MASS vaccinations whitout a risk computation to target the right population, like in the flu virus case, is INSANE POLITIC medically and democratically...

This hysteria has killed same amount of people worldwide than the virus itself...

Is it clear ?

Anyway i will always respect you, nevermind your opinion...

Your friend, mahgister...

Don’t get shots, just walk out in front of a truck it’s quicker and cost tax payers a whole lot less. No shots No brains..

 

 

«Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.»

 

 

North americans people has no idea where Uttar Pradesh is...Their TV set never go there like say Trump it is a shit hole ... The news from covid coming from there means nothing to them...

Some of them may know where is Israel though ...

But now Rogan is a racist which say the n... word now....And spotify cancel 100 interviews of him without reason which had no connection with covid.., is it not a beautifully applied pressure to censor him more...

But hey! Neil Young is right , and he is vindicated you see, he sing well after all...

 

But wait a minute! This isreali doctor must be censored he spoke disinformation after all...

Why are isrealis news journals not so well controlled like their american counterpart, why did they let speak their doctors by God? why?

Dr. McCullough was suspended here in America and banned because he say BEFORE this Israeli doctor the same thing....He is one of the very few top cardiologist specialist in the world by CITATIONS and publisched research... and the single greatest expert on covid treatment by the number of publications ... Dont trust me VERIFY...He was PUNISHED by threats in America yes...a FREE country indeed....

I understand i think why israelis media news let speak their doctors , they are not too much idiots like Neil Young in Israel asking for censorship of doctors...

They need more Neil Young in Israel anyway without doubts some must think ...Too much disinformation....And he sing so well that they will keep him...Good riddance for me...Who need him here anyway, his beautiful voice is already recorded...

😁

 

 

 

 

It is like that in all audio thread and most of the times everywhere else...

People argue about a tree not seeing the forest...

They argue about the meaning of a number...

Losing sight of the whole...

Like in audio when i entered in it 7 years ago and tried to understand, many were analysing with tools they dont master piece if gear, headphone or speakers, without knowing a thing about acoustic which is the most important factor in S.Q. way over electronic new design of dac, amplifier or even speakers..

Ignorance, especially crowned ignorance of the "specialist" is destructive of all understanding...

I am not suprized by the way this debate take the wrong turn...

Focusing on numbers and fleas on a single tree...

Where is the forest about which our attention must be turned?

 

For I.Q. check Wiiliam James Sidis life and forget about your own I.Q. versus other people I.Q.😊😁😊

Anyway beyond Sidis, what is the I.Q. of Christ or Buddha... It does not matter because never mind the working engine potential of the brain , the driver is CONSCIOUSNESS... And great I.Q. with low consciousness make someone more dangerous than a moron : Bill Gates...

Do you think that he is "intelligent" ?

No, because  pathological self interest kill any true knowledge and wisdom , nevermind the I.Q.

 

 

I dont cited any numbers in my last post...No one here has the competence and the time to verify analyse and compute all facts numbers...

It is useless to argue about numbers..

Try to be logical...Read my last post...

Only facts there anyone can see with his own eye , easy to verify...

Who dare to contradict any fact in my last post ?

Add them all together... what do you see after that addition?

Do you see that any news journalist is right against all these scientists and many more i dont put in my last post...

Do you think senile Neil Young is a trusted guide to truth and freedom against all these scientists who risk their money, time and career in some case and attacks to spell the truth ?

Add 1+1 it will equal 2...

 

«We know that brain are not a vegetable but are we sure? After all i have seen many brain  in a  decorative glass jar»-Groucho Marx 🤓

People argue about covid statistic ... This is ridiculous..

what matter is not numbers...

The source of the numbers matter...

The method to interpret them matter even most..

But forget the covid numbers..

Only look at all totalitarian control in creating a mass hysteria OUTSIDE of any simple health science known rules before this virus appearence...

This is not a health crisis at all..

but i know that many people are completely hypnotized by fear and propaganda...

it is not important that the PCR test was a fraud and could not be a testing device... it is a replicating device mechanism and even his inventor Kary Mullis describe clearly why it cannot be a testing device...i read his book...

It is not important if the Nobel prize winner Luc Montagnier denounce all this fraud and Fauci , who is a totalitarian health bureacrat not a scientist like Montagnier..

It is not important that the guy who made the first many patents about mRNa vaccination method Dr. Robert Malone denounce his massive use and the way it was used as pure insanity...

It is not important if two ex top researchers in big pharma corporations like top research vice president of Pfizer Michael Yeadon and ex top vaccination researcher for Bill gates Gert Van Den Bossche denounce all this mandated forced mass vaccination to be criminal..

It is not important that the most published doctor on covid treatment science in the world, Dr. McCullough denounce mass vaccination in a 3 hours rational discourse with Joe Rogan but no, Neil Young know better than him...his music is so good...He must be right... 😁😊 People are simplistic like that....

it is not important after all these lies that we censored anyone who dare to tell his truth ...Freedom is less important matter for sure for the like of Neil Young...

There is only one truth anyway...

Guess where this truth come from ?

God?

No...

Fauci?

No...

Who control all medias and official news, who control google and any other network directly or not and who control Health organization and all the vaccination industries worldwide? who control and pay for all fact checkers of the world?

It is not Fauci nor God...

it is not a scientist nor a doctor..

Only one of the few rich big corporation dictators of the world beside Xi in China and beside some few others...

Bill Gates is the only one fool to ask for vaccinatons of all immediately and world wide... AGAINST ALL SCIENCE but for the benefit of his own patented owning technology ,Why?

Read the physicist and now anti globalist researcher for many decades Vandana Shiva...

 

 

 

 

Only a stupid person by definition think that all other people are stupid... then conclude yourself...

1. Neil is stupid

2. or, Neil thinks everyone is is stupid

another sophism of you...

nobody certainly not me ever say to you to listen EXCLUSIVELY the scientists invited by Rogan...

listen Fauci for sure BUT COMPARE WITH other scientist like the one invited in the UNCESORED Rogan..

THIS IS THE POINT ....for freeedom of speech and the possibility to decide freely and be informed...

Is it not elementary simple to understand?

For the last 2 years the problem was not and was never covid scientific truth, it was censorship and controls of the media and brainwashing people against any public debate...

Do you catch it?

Saying like the senile Neil Young that all scientists in opposition to Fauci stance are jerks who must be erased from any right of free speech is pure TOTALITARISM...Especially in a health worldwide crisis..

Is the bell is ringing in your head now?

I am flabbergasted because simple fact are completely erased by mass hypnosis of many heads in all north america...

I had never been so astonished in my life...

 

 

Just listening to some Yes. Silly human race!

Are you always beside the point?

It is not about what say or did not say Joe Rogan...

Any other free interviewer is submitted right now to the same pressure...

Guess why and how...

Are you really thinking this?

People should be against all misinformation and call out anyone if appropriate.

Who decide which is the information and the misinformation..

For god sake THINK...

in science NO ONE decree what is and what is not information...

It is continuuous debates...

 In nazi Germany  Dr. Goebbels was repeating exactly what yoy just said...

 

 

Don’t shoot the messenger Mr. no censorship.

 

This is not a joke mapman...

Nor shooting the messenger..

You are a good man but you are not all knowing...

this is about FREEDOM...

even if we were all wrong about covid with Dr McCullough and others NO ONE must censor speech expression...

You known what is science?

It is DEBATE without end...

Even Darwinism recognized scientific truth is debatable and is debated right now...

If you dont know why and repeat that it is by religious people like some blinded materialist scientist you know nothing...

It is the same about covid...

There is no science progress where there is no complete freedom for DEBATES...

Joe Rogan podcast pressuring freedom by corporations through Biden order is a canary in a  coal mine shaft...

As my wife’s mother a holocaust survivor, this is all to familiar, Mandates, Censorship, Schools (H Youth).....

What i said about ROGAN has nothing to do with covid information or misinformation...

The covid crisis is NOT THE IMPORTANT EVENT NOW...

The important event is CONTROL, lost of free speech’ worltwide corporative powers etc..

Only sleepwalker dont know that...

Truckers in Canada are 80 % vaccinated at least...

They are more wise then some people here...

They manifest against CORPORATE DICTATORSHIP..

Biden Trump Trudeau Macron etc these men are empty puppets...

And here some Americans celebrate the censorship of people...

 

 

 

@mahgister The Covid Narrative is falling apart everywhere. These are Dying throes of a Naked Emperor.

when the majority finally wakes up to rest of the story, these politicians will be dragged out of their homes by the very same people that stood in line to get these klot shots.

 

 

I am flabbertgasted by ignorance...

You reacted to Neil Young demand to censure about covid allegede misinformation my friend but IT IS NOT THE POINT OF MY POST...

Rogan must be FREE to interview aeveryone even Ku KLux kan members...

If you dont know why check your toyght proceess..

it is not about COVID information or misimformation here...

it is about freedom of speech..

Censorship...

ALL totalitarian regimein the world history has ONE thing in common : suppression of freedom of speech and self imposed ensorship by fears..

It is now in north america..

If you dont see that you have a problem...

Forget covid what is true or false about it.... THINK....

 

Good riddance. Not just Biden who wants misinformation gone.  Don’t look up?

 

Biden just put pressure on the distibuter Spotify this week  and  obeying corporate Spotify erase one hundred FREE interviews of Rogan without explanation and about everrything and everyone that has nothing to do with COVID...Just to teach him who are the REAL boss..

And those repeating marching orders here you dont think that is CHINA path ?

Where is Freedom is US and In Canada...

Dont look anywhere to understand how totalitarism is born in the past we see it now in another coming...

And some think that their guns will protect them against A.I. network control ...How laughable...

Go on watching TV and arguing abour Trump or Biden... Corporate masters laugh...

 

And you know what is Darwinism?

You know what is audio experience also?

And you know what is this "pandemy" and these Vaccinations?

You are very conscious i see... 😁😊

let us smile together...

We must not insult one another because of difference of perspective...

Then i dont retract any of what i said but i apologize for being  a bit rude...

But we live in a crisis and about that we understand each other... It is a crisis...

well, each to their own - I’m quite happy to let Darwinism prevail ;)