My LP couldn't beat my CD, until now


I'm an owner of a new VPI Scoutmaster w/Sumiko Blackbird cart. I, like so many recently, have returned to vinyl after a long time, seeking (as always) the absolute sound.

I'm an 80s kid; a product of the CD revolution. I enjoy my Slim Devices Transporter and all the convenience it delivers. However, I've felt that there's been something missing around music listening, and everyone's talking about analog anyway, so I took the plunge.

Imagine my disappointment when I set up my new 'table, wire it all up, and the first few albums sound flat, a little shrill and generally thin compared to a good rip of the same music off of CD.

I chalk all this up to break-in, to everything in the signal chain from the cartridge to the amp being new and untested. I'm also new at this, and have never set up a tonearm in my life (my goodness, it's a fiddly exercise).

I give it 20 hours of playing time or so, forcibly choosing not to judge. I wait patiently for everything to work in. Still, I find most recordings of everything from Pop & Rock to The Firebird Suite to be palatable and fine listening, but far from the nirvana of naturalness and organic ease everyone says is on LPs.

Well, friends, I think I've had one of those 'holy cow!' moments that come in audiophilia so rarely. A fellow AudiogoNer's recent sale just arrived at my door, and I swapped it in. It's a McCormack Micro Phono Drive, and it's made a tremendous difference in this setup. (I also changed the cable from arm to preamp from Hero to King Cobra for length, but I truly doubt that's what I'm hearing.)

My point in posting all this is to say that I never expected such an assumedly minor part of the signal chain to make such a magnificent difference in the enjoyability of LP listening.

It took a pinched soundstage and made it full-bodied. It took a somewhat shrill and tinny, crackly high end and tamed it. It filled in the bass from 'there' to 'wow'. In short, it completely saved what I thought was a flawed and disappointing attempt at analog.

I was all ready to post a 'LP can't possibly beat CD, so what are you smokin'?' message, but this one, simple thing has changed my mind! 80s kids out there, don't lose hope! there really is something to this LP scene.
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Showing 6 responses by mapman

Ericjcabrera,

That's a good pick.

I'll keep my eyes out and maybe give it a try!
I'm curious what was the phono pre-amp prior to the McCormack?

I'm always glad when someone new discovers the unique joys and tribulations of vinyl.

But revolution?

C'mon.

Of course let's all enjoy our records while they're still around but also let's not exaggerate our retro tendencies into a "revolution" quite yet.

Though I guess all revolutions must start somewhere....
Caution regarding 180 gm vinyl.

I've heard from others here the quality of many 180 gm pressings is questionable. The quality control of the golden days of vinyl past is rumored to not be there these days.

Just repeating what I've heard. Don't know if its true. I hope it is not but I don't know for sure.

I mostly buy cheap used records in good shape when I find them.

I was in a busy local music store that sells mostly CDs and DVDs recently. They recently opened a separate vinyl room predominantly up front featuring new vinyl releases, not old used stuff.

The store was very busy with dozens of people but none were in the vinyl room except me.

When I saw the prices, I left as well to scour CDs.
I don't doubt the McCormick unit sounds great.

There is something to be said for introducing a few tubes into a system.

Probably true the interest in vinyl is higher today than it has been for quite a while. Call it a revolution if you like. One man's revolution is another man's trend.

So what's a good 180 gm product to try to make an instant believer out of me?
"Lloyddc, my point was and still is that the technics 1200 is not a highend table"

I've never thought of Technics tables as high end either in general (I owned one once) until I started to hear recently about how great the 1200 is.

Is it a current model that you can buy new or is it an older model that sold for less that has developed a following and now sells for a lot more, especially with various customizations.

I used to sell many belt drive and DD turntables, Dual, Technics, Thorens, Micro Seiki, and most other popular brands back in the heyday of vinyl.

According to the strobe patterns along the rim of many models, significant speed variations were seldom indicated or heard with units in good operating condition.

I still have a Dual 1264 that I use in my second system with the strobe pattern on the rim that indicates proper speed. This table has never been the most rock solid in terms of constant speed, yet it continues to sound fantastic fitted with the right cartridge (a vintage Goldring of some sort that I've owned for a long time)and a good phono stage (on the 70's vintage Yamaha receiver I have it hooked up to currently) and there are no artifacts of speed variations in the sound I hear that I can detect as bothersome even though the strobe says there are some.
Tvad,

I think you're right. Its just I find the love for the Technics table of late, and DD tables in general, a bit of a surprise.

Not that they are not good and deserve some love at leat as much as other tables, more that it does seem so significant to many while I just don't get it.