My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Hello WhiteCamaroSS, I premise that I have not had the opportunity of listening to the Bel Canto REF600 yet

Bel Canto Ref600 is a basic implementation of the entry level NCore NC500 power conversion module and the unregulated NCore NC/1200/700 SMPS in a mono configuration.... What Bel Canto seems to have added to the basic module-in-a-box is their own signal imput stage to raise the balanced input impedance and reduce common mode noise.

This is a similar approach to the lovely Merrill Teranis stereo amp, which I evaluated a couple years ago.... As nice as Teranis was at its real-world $2500 price point, in my system it had a tendency of showing traces of congestion in loud/complex passages, and so fell well short of the excellent performance that I found in my system with the Merrill Veritas monos which are based instead on the full-blown NCore-1200 modules. In turn, Veritas performance is perceivably below the Rowland M925 monos that you and I are quite familiar with.

Furthermore, a couple of years ago, a friend of mine tested extensively in his own system REF600, Veritas, and the Rowland Continuum S2 integrated. He found Veritas to exceed comfortably the performance of REF600, but in the end he purchased the Rowland Continuum S2 integrated, because he preferred the amplification section of CS2 over Veritas. I am quite familiar with CS2, and I do like it very much.... However, it does not achieve the performance of M925.


My guess is that REF600 performance might fit somewhere between the Teranis stereo and the Veritas monos.... I am conjecturing that the Bel Canto might be a little closer to Teranis than to Veritas.

M535 is far from being a simple module-in-a-box amp implementation. Not that this really matters one way or another.... What matters is what the critter does for living... My extended experience with M535 in bridged mode, which I have had in my system running since last October and is fully broken in, and particularly after the application of a recently developed phase locking slip-on, is that its performance grazes M925 territory, an amp that both you and I love.

If I were to venture a performance order from lowest to highest based on the above, I would list amps in the following order.... Teranis, REF600, Veritas, Continuum S2 (amplification section), M535 bridged, M925.

So, while the above is admittedly somewhat indirect, it does never the less leave me scratching my head about the observations of your source on M535 bridged performance. BTW, Bridged M535 in the US are rare critters... While pairs have been playeing at audio shows, I know of only two extant pairs in the wild... One of them is in my own home. Has your source had significant experience with bridged M535?

Saluti, Guido







@thezaks 

Actually I had a similar problem. I've owned a Classe CA-5100 amp for years and really love it for 2 channel and HT applications. I completed a home remodel a few years ago and soon started having problems with that amp. After 1 hour of listening it would go into protection mode and shut down. This happened dozens of times over the course of a year. I had no idea what was going on. I talked to a tech at Classe several times who thought it was overheating, but it had plenty of space around it. I ended up sending it in for repairs. When they got the amp and checked the computer log within it they called me right away. The first thing they asked me was have you remodeled your home lately and added LED lights and or dimmers to your lighting? I had done both. They said the amp was sensitive to RF noise created by dimmers, LED lights and general AC pollution caused by a number of things. It had been fine for years until I did my remodel and then all hell broke loose! They did what they called a 'Japan Fix' on the amp....which was to expand the tolerance of the protection mode circuit. They said all of their amps sent to Japan had to be designed that way because of all of the RF pollution there......Long story but when I got the amp back I never had another problem with it. I've had many amps since my remodel and never had a problem with them..... Bottom line is every amp has different tolerances to RF noise/AC pollution.  
@ron17
Thanks Ron17 for your email (and post)! Good to know about your amp and the RF issue. The Odeon is the only amp I’ve ever had a problem with. There is a ground lift switch on the back, and in one position it was fine and just warm to the touch during operation - no problems at all. However, in the other position, then the amp instantly started burning up - you could smell the electronics burning. It was so bad, it scared my wife and kids. While I understand what you are saying with what happened to your amp, I’m not sure that this was RF. I think that they messed up this amp when they did the super duper upgrade. The sonics were essentially the worst of any 7 channel amp I’ve had in my house (with the ground lift switch in either position). That doesn’t seem to jive with the praise that this amp has received. Plus, the person who worked with me on this (nice guy, by the way) had me buy some testing equipment, and the test equipment did not conclusively show RF to be an issue in my home, yet he continued to think it had to be RF. I guess it never occurred to him that it could actually be something gone wrong with the upgrade. He eventually bought back the amp from me - he did make a profit on it. I didn’t care at that point - I just wanted to move on to something else.

Dave


Hi ron, what a fascinating story regarding your Classe, not the least of which is that they were able to diagnose the problem from the onboard computer and they had a Japan fix.
Hey WC
Do you think MC601s will benefit from Luxman 509X or C52 since they’re almost the same price ?