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The only WAY to get REAL ANSWERS is for people to BUY all the gear they want to try rather than reading reviews from magazines or the HE/SHE SAID mentality. You all wanna know the issue? most people dont have the money or time to try all the gear i go through so what else can they do? follow my journey....that is all they can do... end of story..
I think there are a few things to keep in mind with the thread.
1. It’s a fun read. I’ve known WCSS for quite a while now, I’ve sold equipment to him (very early on) and bought from him. As a buyer/seller - dude is nails.
2. I view the thread a few ways.
a. - Before his move, the old room and generally before he went uber-insane high end
b. - After the move, and the new room
c. - After the Neoliths. WCSS has had numerous speakers, but his bent has been Electrostats. I would wager he has more time with the current ML line-up than anyone who is not a ML engineer or major ML dealer. I take his impressions of amps/pre-amps when reviewed on ML’s (early on on the little ones, or the neoliths) to be a much more accurate representation of what the equipment sounds like than his impressions with other speakers. His rooms have never been heavily treated so the impressions on the Stat’s are consistent.
3. Like myself, typically WCSS listens LOUD. I know lately he has turned it down a bit, but WCSS listens loud. That shapes impressions also.
4. We all have biases... like for me, personally I won’t spend a ton on cables and cords. I don’t use zip-cords for speaker wires but I don't spend a ton. But my XLR’s are mogami’s - good enough for a studio, good enough for me. I do have one "upgraded" powercord. I have a PS audio entry level one for my 250.8... only because it came with an amp I turned around quickly and figured why not keep it!
I'm in agreement with most responses and things said here. I just have a personal issue with brand bashing when;
1) one hasn't heard that particular piece personally or more importantly,
2) one hasn't heard that particular piece in their system directly comparing it to another piece.
As I said, if you change more than one thing and then listen, you can't really tell if you are hearing that particular piece or a combination of pieces and equipment.
There are hard working people that work for Parasound, Audio Research, Atmosphere, and many other companies, where most of them are hard working, honest people that produce good products. They has families to take care of.
Bashing is non productive.
WC is correct in that he cannot try everything or may not even want to. He has a level of costs, performance and expectation and doesn't want to really go down in quality just to satisfy someone else's curiosity.
I typically let things ride until I hear someone bash a company or product they haven't tried personally. Even bashing is too strong for me. Some gear is better than others, but bad? terrible? horrible? crap? come on!
different, yes. not as good in certain ways as another piece? possibly.
I can put Sony or Yamaha gear with Martin Logan Neolith speakers and if they can handle the impedance of the speakers, they will sound pretty good. Better than Audio Research? probably not. So what else could be making this sound not so great? hmmm? lets think about that a minute.
I've demo'd equipment that initially sounded not good at all. Come to find out that the piece wasn't really designed to be matched with the other piece at all. So, there. That was the reason. the piece wasn't bad at all, I just didn't read the owner's manual. My mistake.
When WC gets a new piece, removes an existing piece and inserts the new piece, plays his music and returns to the existing piece and compares, boy, that's what I look forward to. But you can screw with a piece by changing some cables also and totally mess up everything. Cable rolling can be a real mess.
anyway, I'm enjoying the ride.
Can I ask if you have auditioned these two amps?
1) Mark Levinson 585
2) Gryphon Diablo 300
I have heard the 585 and loved the slam and dynamics with bass attack and punch it offers. It catches you out, you end up turning the volume up not knowing the dynamics of bass is going to punch you hard.
I haven't heard the Diablo 300. Does it offer the same impact in terms of dynamics as the 585? Is it same characteristically as a 585? If not how does it differ? Is this amp mainly for classical, Jazz, vocal, string music? Can it be used with pop, rock, house, r&b, rap too?
Your opinion in this matter much appreciated as I'm looking to buy one of these amps to drive my B&W 803D3 speakers.
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