Nice move to the DAWs! They are very very detailed (something we have learned you look for in gear) and are very very very dynamic. Yes I’ve heard them several times. BUT mating them with Odin speaker cable may bring to much of a good thing and while initially you might find all the detail to be fine I would think that after 20-30 minutes you would become fatigued with the sound in my humble opinion. I would have thought the Audiomica speaker cable “might” have been the better match with the DAWs or any other cable but again just my own thoughts not the Odin match-up.
Looking forward to your impressions after all it’s what you are looking for and not your followers, we are just riding along on your journey.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU WCSS! I received some demo Audiomica cables that you used and I’m WOWED! Yes I’ve been using some of Audiomica’s lower series cables from their Ultra Reference and Excellence series but just couldn't afford the Consequence series. So what did this bring to the table? The timber and top to bottom sound is so very natural and I now can play even louder because things are cleaner within the soundstage than ever before. (Blacker background) Also transparency has increased but most important to me is that these cables preserve the musics correct scale and size. Did I mention the bass impact? Tight, clean and just musical. My own cable journey is over all thanks to you WCSS so again with much THANKS!
white have you tried any of the newer class D amps? Mola Mola? Merrill Veritas?
@thezaks sorry if I wasn't clear but I already had some of their Excellence series and a cable from their Ultra series (and a bunch of Cardas Clear) but got some of Audiomica's Consequence cables that WC had been using. I believe the Ultra series is like 50% of the retail of the Consequence series and yes even this series is worth it.
WC thanks for taking down that video. My wife and I were watching it and when she heard your comment given the "me too" movement she told me if I ever said something like that on a public forum I'd be 7 inches shorter!
WC out of curiosity do the Constellation amps use 15amp cords? I know you have mentioned the Gryphon uses a 20amp cord.
@mrdecibel only 4" left! lol
@whitecamaross have to agree with a few of the comments on YouTube who said the Gryphons sound cleaner, more coherent while the constellations are a bit muffled. Is everything identical? Same interconnects? Same power cords? Same speaker cable?
WC not asking about the outlet but the amps IEC. Do the constellation's require a 20amp iec plug? You're already stated the Gryphon amp does. If the Constellations do then do you have 3 identical 20amp ac cords to do the shoot out?
+1 ron17. WC this is YOUR journey and the only person who should be judging sound quality and what is liked is YOU. Keep what you like, yes it's fun to be part of your journey but we all have our own preferences.
On your last video can you disclose which ac cables were used on the Constellations? On the Gryphon? Just curious.
This on the Gryphon amp? What about the Audiomica cord? Is that gone?
9k for a PC? Even at 50% off that's a lot. Again have to thank WC for I got that demo Audiomica ac which blew away my Cardas Clear Beyond. I'm a very happy camper.
WC all this input really means nothing it's really what YOU like and what your preferences are. I would think this can just confuse you more than anything. Just saying....
So very few liked #1 (Odin) and it was a toss-up for #2 & #3. Odin was the brightest and had an edge to the sound but I guess you'd have to actually hear it yourself in WC system to verify. Based on price alone it was Audiomica that was the winner!
@chazzy you stated " Dragon was by far the brightest in "my" system. Odin the least. Audiomica in between both.
What's your full system and does your amp(s) also require the 20amp IEC? Have you listened to other cables and what's your thought?
Just checking in with you WC (and all others following this thread) to make sure you and your family are doing well and safe.
Be well all.
Agree very little difference. It's my opinion that those speaker cables are choking the sound. Heard them before and they are just ok. Where's those Audiomica SC? So much better and musical. Get them back!
Fist and formost is I'm happy to hear you and your family are well.
So I went back to your original ac cord shootout of the 3 cables. Yes Odin had the most detail but to me still had a tipped up top end. Cable 2 (AM) and cable 3 (AQ) were closer on sound but cable 2 had this foot tapping quality above the others plus it had more weight in the bottom octaves. Please keep in mind this based on listening on a computer I'm sure listening in your room things might sound different. I'll also repeat my thoughts that you last video is being held back by those speaker cables. YMMV
Been listening over 30+ yrs and have gone from pre-amps to passive pres to no pres and always have returned to using a pre-amp. Agree no pre can sound cleaner but it's also a but sterile sounding and loses the soul of the music. As others have inferred and it's what happened to me, I find myself having shorter listening sessions with no pre but once a pre is back in I can listen and enjoy my system for hours and hours on end with no fatigue. YMMV
Hey audiolabyrinth your Tara cables are good but a dealer will sell them at 50% off retail b/c they pay even less! Yes I've been offered them but they did not impress.
@guidocorona are you implying that the ETM review was not a current production? I was under the impression that the Element 118 was just being released and a review takes at least 3 months to complete which would lead one to believe the ETM “sample” Element 118 was a pre-production model. Would this be an accurate statement?
Go have a listen to the Avantgarde Duo Mezzo XD (60k) unbelievably dynamic it was like watching an OLED tv, don’t know if I could listen to this for 3-5 hrs but was impressive. Also the MBL 101e (70k) was very powerful with controlled bass but not the air I thought on the top. Also voices seemed larger than life. My favorite was the Sanders 10e, just plain musical and airy, not the deepest bass but very tuneful and 3D sounding.
If you thought the Sanders were good once heard with better amps they are WONDERFUL! More dynamics and deeper and more controlled bass. Your BLOCK amps would be a great match IMHO.
I’ve listened to the Christine pre and think it’s a fabulous ss pre, it beat my beloved Atmasphere MP-3
It is clean, quick and neutral whatever it’s fed it will show it’s strengths or faults.
Just wait for 36 hours of being on and be REALLY wowed!
You stated regarding the Merrill pre "It’s so dynamic that it almost startles me at times which can be a bad thing if there’s too much of it at once...."
IMHO that's a great thing for any component to come across showing. Live music is often startling at times.
Just my thoughts.
And the matching Christine pre is that a keeper? There's one FS on the Asylum I'd grab but need to sell some gear first.
Thanks @whitecamaross for the info. I've made an offer on a Christine now but it has not been accepted as of yet.
Audio Doc let me guess you don't carry Dynaudio or Wilson speakers but you do sell Focal. Just a wild guess.
If we really want honestly and hear how things were recorded then it would seem the Christine is what we are after. Why have everything sound good when that's not how it was recorded?
Over the years I've had amps and pres that make all recordings sound good and quickly grew tired of the system. Yes when bad recordings sound bad I might not listen thru the entire recording but hey when a great recording is played I need depends on my chair!
@whitecamaross what happened to the Merrill Christine pre?
@whitecamaross just a bit of caution please look into how you change tubes in Ayon products. A friend had their CD player and you had to turn the unit over and use a “special” tool to get to the tubes. It was a real PITA so he since sold it. Sound was good.
@spinaker01 I couldn't have said it better...
Did not the Christine bring more quickness, a window that was super clean and 3D to the xs300's?
The issue I see is that Viber6 just speculates about gear without ANY firsthand experience with said gear. It's hard enough to have heard the gear then speculate about it in someone else's system. Just my thoughts.
@whitecamaross what would you pay for a "used" Christine? I've been contemplating one that's listed on Agon.
Just some thoughts from others on how much more you pay for the "jewelry" D'Agostino amp? Yes they are beautiful and give a pride of ownership but.....
@riaa REALLY! I never said I heard the amps, I don't play in this arena of $$$$$$ gear. I was just making an observation about how much the case work costs and nothing about it's sound quality which I'm sure is at the top.
@thezaks (Dave) agree with you although to be honest it was difficult to hear differences in the video of the 2 amps but have heard Nordost cables in other systems and at dealers and always left me underwhelmed. It was fast and clean but not so musical if that makes sense. Just my view.
WC I am enjoying your journey keep on rolling.
WC from you description in the video I don't think your Constellation and Odin cabling is a good match, just saying.
Keep the videos rolling.
Another user of Audiomica Labs cables but I use the Ultra Reference models which are just below what WCSS is using. They make music period. Glad others are finding out of this company.
So don't understand you WCSS when you say the best amps are those 3 yet you sold them and now own Taurus mono blocks! I understand you can't keep everything but wouldn't you at least keep one of the 3 "best"?
(And no you don't have to explain yourself this is more of a rhetorical question)
@p59 outraged? I think not envy yes. I'd love to move gear in and out like WCSS but that's never happening. I'm actually happy for WCSS it's a GREAT journey.