I second viber6, I own an earlier GTAW speaker and I've heard their rooms at CAF for years and each year they have been better and in my top 3 rooms of the show. The GTA 3.2R's performance is right there with the best cost no object and paired with 3 12" OB servo subs per side are sublime, certainly my end game speaker system that checks all my boxes. Now I'm wondering what new (or bring back a previous amp-Block or Pass) amp will be brought in to make the DAWs sing for you?
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Matt, Please consider calling Bill Parish at GTT and see about getting a loaner Audionet pre/power combo to audition. You are searching for the very best and reviewer Greg Weaver can't praise the gear enough, he's using Audionet for his VSA Aktive 55s and will be using the Audionet pair on the VSA Ultra 9s when they get to his home. Worth a call, 908.850.3092.
Overloading the room with bass is the primary reason big speakers in small rooms can falter. The Neolith has 4 and 8dB shelving switches so you get some adjustability. Perhaps consult ML and GIK and get their thoughts on room size and treatments? I believe the stat screens will be fine and image properly, maybe consult Ted at Synergistic Research about room treatments that would be beneficial? Please keep up your good work and letting us tag along vicariously with you! I applaud your ability to sell gear you've called "Best" ie Rowland amps and Ref 10 pre and move on, maybe you'll get them back if you feel the pull strong enough. Keep going at your pace, enjoy the hobby as well as your family, and continue to have fun.
@grey9hound & @viber6, The larger Tektons using 15 tweeters are able to crossover the midrange at 300 Hz to the tweeter array and using cones only up to that point, a frequency very close to where the ML Monoliths crossover is to their electrostatic element. I have a pair of DIs in my system which cross the 7 tweeter array in at 600 Hz, and in 2 minutes the increase in vocal detail was noticeable to me and my wife compared to our previous speakers, a great buy at $3000 and a market disruptor at that price point IMHO.
viber6, I'm going to pull a quote from your post, " A nearly massless stat driver will have an inherent advantage over a more massive dynamic driver", please consider that the Tekton Encore and Ulfbert have an array of 15 tweeters that allow them to be crossed over at 300 Hz, 100 Hz lower than the Neolith and I bet the moving mass of 15 tweeter domes is much less than the weight of a Neolith diaphragm.
viber 6 and kw6, thanks for mentioning the AlsyVox magnetic planars. viber6, please be careful with your use of the word "ribbon", the AlsyVox speakers do not use ribbon drivers, but utilize a planar-magnetic method like Magnepan except they are push-pull employing neodymium magnets on both sides of the diaphragm for fast response and high efficiency. Their room at RMAF was one of the best at any price, percussion was particularly real sounding, and they made a big band sound believable right in the room, stellar achievement! I'm sorry WCSS didn't get to Denver to hear the AlsyVox, maybe he'll come up to Maryland for the Capital Audiofest, many wonderful speakers to hear including a similar planar magnetic at 1/8th the cost of AlsyVox, the GT Audio Works Reference 3 full range planar, just for reference to what he has at home.
viber6, Even the 5mm wide tweeter in the Alsyvox is a push-pull planar magnetic, unlike the true ribbon tweeters in the better Maggies and the GT Audio Works designs. The Botticelli Alsyvox at RMAF would sell for $87K if a distributor can be found.
You may not be aware of another stellar electrostatic design from Conifer, CO, Roger Sanders' Model 10 hybrid shown at RMAF. Honed over 3 decades of improvements his stats are as or more transparent than ML and have beat ML at the woofer integration equation, play with more dynamic excitement, play very loud, but exhibit the narrow sweet spot flat planars come with. The Sanders are $17K/pr but that includes a Magtech amp for the stats @900 WPC, a 10" woofer in a transmission line loading, and DSP room correction. You need to supply an amp for the woofers and you're done. Every year his room sounds like a breath of fresh air, startlingly transparent, big dynamic swings, intimate vocals, seamless woofer integration coupled with crushing deep bass when called for, a real value.
@dracule 1, I’m sorry but I think you are wrong about the Alsyvox mid and tweeter, all their drivers are push-pull planar magnetic. They use the term "ribbon" too loosely to describe any planar driver, but a true ribbon does not operate in a push-pull manner with magnets in front and behind. A planar magnetic uses a mylar (or similar) sheet as a carrier and has a "voice coil" glued or etched onto it and magnets in front and/or behind. A true ribbon, see RAAL, uses just an aluminum diaphragm and side magnets. I asked the designer, Daniele Coen about the Botticelli in Denver at RMAF and he said all his drivers were planar magnetic. Look closely at all the Alsyvox drivers, they look the same just narrower. Now look at the GTA 3R, the tweeter is smooth and is a true ribbon. With the language difference, I could be wrong, but I believe the Alsyvox drivers are all push-pull planar magnetic. I also think the Botticelli speakers I heard in Denver are sensational and if I could afford them, I’d own them! They decimated most other mid-sized rooms at RMAF and really brought a big band into the room, huge dynamics, drum kit had live impact and believability, very transparent, beautiful tonal color, a speaker to die for!
@minorl, WCSS buys from the used marketplace so sometimes there is no "dealer" to rely on for assistance. The Block monos he's getting to try on the neoliths are a loaner pair from a dealer friend. I'm interested in the Block/Neolith combo to see how good the amps are and will there be any synergy. I'm hoping WCSS can wring every last drop of performance from the Neoliths so we can find out if they are keepers, or another step along the path.
WCSS, I know you love the Ref 10, and it might have some advantages over an all D'Agostino solution, but without the ability to boost the highs you may like the all Dag system more. The SA103/Ref 10 audition will give you some feedback on how much the Ref 10 adds to a Tube/SS combo. Looking forward to today's listening results.
WCSS, If you want to try @viber6's thin wire theory, the ultimate retail version would be from Mapleshade and their Clearview Double Helix, http://www.mapleshadestore.com/speakerwires.php These minimal "skinny" wires surprisingly produce great deep bass, very wide (startling) dynamics, and get the beginning of notes better than almost any competitor.