My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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@ WCSS

The Plinius SA 103 is rated @ 125 watts  per channel in both class A and class AB mode.  I know pure class A is a different animal but I thought you were looking for more power not less.  The Plinius SB 301 mk2 that I bought from you a while back would have been nice to try with the Neoliths.  Is your plan to try and pick up a 2nd SA 103 and run them in mono?
@kren
A couple of days ago you said. "That makes 3 favoring Wilson over Magico."
Maybe it's time for a recount. I prefer Magico also....sorry bro.
@WCSS

  I think finding a professional to come in and measure, set-up and possibly add some room treatments would get you closer to great sound for your current and future systems.  
@riaa   What about we all chip in $10 and buy a $200 Rane EQ unit on ebay and sent it to WCSS to review.  He gives his honest review of it, throws it away and then hopefully that would be the end of it.

I'm in for $10
@ viber6  

WCSS has yet to receive the Block Audio amps and you are already telling him they are not going to work out....man what's wrong with you?
@minorl

I agree with you that EQ should be introduced as a last resort only after proper speaker placement has been achieved. I also think modern digital EQ units are much more transparent and effective than older analog units.  

Also room treatments and/or hiring a professional to help with achieving a more pleasing sound can be expensive but to spend 5-10K doing so on a system costing well over 150K doesn't sound excessive to me.  Of course it depends on your goals and more importantly your budget! 
@viber6  
 You wrote " ron17, what's wrong with YOU that you cannot read my reasoned statements with much comprehension?  Do YOU like spending money on overpriced back breaking amps that are not LIKELY to work out, especially since his Plinius has demolished the expensive Dag?" .....  I am fully capable of comprehending your statements it's just that they don't make since to me. The fact that the Plinius amp is a better sonic match with WCSS' current speaker and room is one thing but to say the Plinius "demolished" the Dag is not a reasoned statement. If WCSS wants to spend big money on "back breaking amps" let him, it's his thread and he'll do what he wants. Why go on and on telling him he's making a mistake and forcing your opinions on him and others? I think he's having fun going through a lot of gear (expensive and reasonably priced) and it's not about finding the perfect system for him...it's more the journey that excites him. So why keep hounding him to try antiquated analog EQ units and less expensive amps etc..... Why not just enjoy the ride, contribute a little and stop force feeding your opinions on everyone. Double and triple posting paragraph after paragraph in a row of the same thing is what's turned a lot of people against you.   You also wrote "Where is YOUR  empathy and common sense?  What is your contribution in the area of searching for great quality amps at reasonable prices, which most people here are interested in?" ...... Well I do contribute. I've given my views on speaker/room integration, my use and experience with digital EQ, different sonic characteristics of amps I've owned and the benefits I've attained by using a professional to help set-up speakers and gear. The difference between you and me is I don't beat people over the head with my views or opinions.  Also I'm not so sure that most people that read this thread are just looking for "great quality amps at reasonable prices". I think a lot of people are living vicariously through WCSS. Reading about gear that they will never be able to own written by a normal tell-it-like-it-is guy.
@viber6

I was introduced to digital EQ 15 years ago by a company called TacT Audio. This is a Stereophile review of the digital equalizer/preamp I bought and used for several years.
https://www.stereophile.com/roomtreatments/437/index.html

After that unit I bought and used a Classe Sigma SSP mk2 pre/pro. Classe has implemented digital EQ for more than a decade in their home theater processor/preamps with great success. I became friends with a tech at Classe who taught me how to measure my room then implement the filters (frequency, gain and Q width). He was a fellow musician who had built his own SOTA recording studio. He also suggested when using digital EQ in a high-end 2 channel music system to (1) only use it @ 300hz and below. (2) only attenuate never boost.  I used their digital EQ in conjunction with ASC tube traps to greatly improve the excessive bass problem I had in my room. A couple of years ago I wanted to upgrade my preamp but still wanted to be able to use EQ (in the digital domain). I bought a Mola Mola Makua (preamp/DAC) from Bill Parish with GTT Audio. Bill is one of the most knowledgeable up to date hi-end retailers I've had the pleasure of dealing with. He told me he had used Roon's digital EQ and found it to be completely transparent and non-degrading to the music signal. I have an Innous Zenith mk2 SE music server that I use with Roon and their digital EQ and absolutely love it. I use it sparingly in conjunction with ASC tube traps.  

bigddesign3 sounds like an expert in the car stereo field and prefers analog EQ. I have no experience with car/stereo systems and would totally trust his judgement on that one.

I really think hi-end audio is heading to an all digital format....like it or not! I'm not ready to go all digital yet but know people who swear by it.
@viber6   

As far as all or mostly digital systems...

I've heard very good things about the company Devialet.   Here's a  review that Robert Harley wrote for The Absolute Sound in 2015.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/devialet-200400-integrated-amplifierstreaming-dac/

Bel Canto's Black system that WCSS owned and really liked is a digital system with a class D amp.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/bel-canto-design-black-amplification-system

I have a few friends that have owned Meridian digital systems that were very good.
I've used bi-wires for years but recently moved to a single wire and same brand high quality jumpers.  I use Nordost and that's what they recommend.  I have never heard of using bi-wires and leaving the jumpers in...that's a new one for me.
bigddesign3 stated "I didn't realize that you were using two different speaker cables. Oh my? I know people will call me crazy (which I could be), but I would still try 2 exact copies of the speaker cable of choice and leave the jumpers in."

That's what I was referring to.
@WCSS 

Certainly not overlooking Block Audio monos but thinking of future amps to try.  I really enjoyed my time with the Plinius SA 301mk2.  It was a slightly forward sounding amp with a rich midrange, sparkling highs and a very deep powerful bass.  Have you thought about the Plinius Reference A-300?  Are they hard to find on the used market?  Don't think they would be difficult to move when you are ready to sell it.
@kahlenz

Really good post.   I've listened to 200K systems that I couldn't get out of the room fast enough. I've also listened to moderately priced systems that were properly set up with the right speaker for the room and musical tastes and never wanted to leave.... Finding the right speaker for your room and music you prefer is by far the most important piece of the audiophile puzzle. Everything else comes down to system matching and fine tuning. Just my opinion of course.
@viber6

Last year you criticized me for describing my Simaudio 870a amp as having an 'almost tube like midrange and top end'. The following was your response to me.

"All the tube products I mentioned have widely varying types of sound.  Because of this, I think people need to be specific about sound character, rather than saying something is "tube-like."  I believe the common perception of tubes is that they are mellow and laid back with that "magic."  By this definition, you could say that the ref 10 is more tube-like than ref 6, the Lampi Pacific with the PX4 tube is more tube-like than with the 300B.  But is the Pacifc with 300B still "tube-like" compared to SS DAC's such as the Ayre, or is the Pacific/300B more precise and upfront than the Ayre?  Then that would made the Ayre more "tube-like" than the Pacific/300B.  So, since there are tube products like ref 6 and Pacific/300B with upfront, sharp and snappy qualities, I think this common definition of "tube-like" should be scrapped in favor of more informative descriptions of sound."

So now a year later you are describing the Luxman combo's sound as "whipped cream" and here's how you described the Ayre preamp "The Ayre preamp #2 was an overpriced dog drowning in whipped cream."

 Is that what you meant when you said "I think this common definition of "tube-like" should be scrapped in favor of more informative descriptions of sound."?
I agree with riaa. When the OP declares a winner in a shootout I know he's referring to what he prefers in his room with his current components, cabling, speakers etc.... I don't think he would ever say without a doubt the Luxman combo is better than the Dag combo. He might say for the $ the Luxman combo is a better buy....

@viber6
I once heard a system that had a real pepperminty sound.
zprr and I have similar systems and listening tastes. I'm guessing he would say the same thing about his YG speakers. zprr maybe you could expand on that?
Dave
No, the Carmel 2 uses a tweeter called ForgeCore. From YG "A tweeter’s magnet system serves as both its motor and enclosure. ForgeCore is unique in optimizing both functions, dramatically lowering distortion".

zprr has the Hailey 2.2's that use BilletDome tweeters. He would be the one to comment on the BilletDome tweeters.
My only concern right now is being the first poster on page 100 of this thread.
@WCSS

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I learned a long time ago not to believe everything you read in the trades.  I believe that is what WCSS has based this entire thread on.
I've also done shoot-outs with friends in my system and in theirs and our preferences varied.  I love reading several component shoot-out reviews, can you please post a link or publication.  Thx
@WCSS

I'd like to know how the Magicos would sound with the Block monos....Maybe in 2019 you can work on making more money so you can keep 2-3 sets of speakers, amps, etc....  
@yyzsantabarbara

I bought my Makua preamp/DAC from Bill Parish around a year ago. I researched for several months before I took Bill up on his in-home demo offer. I know the Tambaqui is just now being released but The Makua is a sota preamp with the same DAC all in one chassis (1 less pair of analog IC's). I've been trying to get WCSS to at least go for the no obligation in-home demo of the Makua but he's a no go on it....that's cool. Don't want to be too pushy...nothing worse than pushy audiophiles!
@yyzsantabarbara

BTW ....I didn’t mean to imply that you were being pushy, it’s just that on this thread there are a few ....errrr well never mind. lol
I will create and post my system on the virtual section if WCSS will post his.
@grey9hound 

To answer your question in your post that was removed, no I'm not hiding any subs.  I've had the YG's for 5-6 weeks now and haven't got to that yet. 
I really didn't think WCSS would post a photo when I said I would if he would.....Oh well here's 2 from me.

Happy Holidays to All!
@viber6   

Yeah Bill is a great guy to work with...really knows his stuff.  I live in LA Ca and never had the pleasure of traveling to New Jersey to his home.  I have not heard the Kaluga's anywhere.  I demoed the Makua with DAC in my home before I purchased it.  My system is Innuos Zenith mk2 SE / Makua preamp/DAC / Simaudio 870a amp / YG Carmel 2 speakers.
The last video sounded really good.  Maybe you don't need the Critical Mass stand...lol
I’ve known WCSS for a couple of years now. Bought 1 amp from him and emailed back and forth many many times. Never once did I get the impression that he was doing this to make a buck. I know for a fact that he’s made some $ and lost some $ but most of the time I think he tries to break even. I think his intention here is to experience, enjoy and go through as much hi-end gear as he can.....I don’t see a problem with that.
@grey9hound 

I guess I misunderstood you when you stated "It is all about the money and the profit, not really the product."

Sorry....my bad
@ricred1

Wow....threatening to leave Agon because posters use the terms "better or worse". When posters on this thread use terms like that I roll my eyes and take it with a grain of salt, you should too.

I think it’s time we all adapt a "thicker skin" approach.
A properly treated room will not sound dead. All room treatments don't absorb energy. Diffusion panels disperse mid range and treble energy and make for a more lively room and reduce echo.   I use ASC tube traps to reduce the reverberation (decay time) of excess low bass in my room. The traps are 'tunable'. One side of the traps absorb mid and high range frequencies and the other side reflect the mid and high frequencies. I have mine rotated to reflect the mid and highs back into the room. The result is a tighter bass and a lively mid range and top end.

Achieving better sound in your room through proper use and placement of acoustical treatments is a personal choice....definitely not for everyone.
@lemonhaze

Enjoyed you post and link (written by Ethan Winer) on acoustical room treatments.  I have found that by using philosophies like his in my listening room has greatly improved my listening experience.

I use bass traps with reflective side facing the listener on front wall at corners, a combination of absorbers and diffusors on the back wall behind the listener and absorber panels on side walls at 1st and 2nd reflections. A few years ago I was only using absorber panels which resulted in a somewhat dead sound. Last year with the advice of an acoustical engineer I introduced bass traps and diffusor panels....Now my room sounds great, more natural and far from that dreaded over used absorber panel dead sound.

Would love to see some photos of your room and the treatments you use.
I sit close to the rear wall in my listening room but I use 4 Stillpoints Apertures on that wall. They do a great job of removing a lot of the room from the music without sounding too dead. I have read a lot of erik_squires posts also. Erik highly recommends GIK room treatments and EQ for problem (too much) bass. Sitting close to a rear wall doesn't always equate to bad sound....if the wall is properly treated.
I could see the Lampizator Pacific DAC run directly into the Block Mono's as an end to a long journey for me and many other posters on this thread but not for WCSS. I envision many more amps, maybe another DAC and possibly another pair of speakers flying through 'casa de Camaro' this year. I can't think of a better 'constant' or 'hub' than the Ref 10 to help evaluate any new gear....wouldn't let that one go.
@lemonhaze

Posting photos of your room is super easy. Take a few photos with your phone, go to the Virtual Systems page on Agon and create an account and follow the instructions.

As far as your question to WCSS about a Plinius amp vs the Simaudio 860a amp I hope you don’t mind if I give my 2 cents. I owned the Plinius SB 301 mk2 about 2 years ago then sold it and bought a Simaudio 870a which I still own. I liked both amps a lot ...but they are very different sounding (at least they were in my system). The Plinius is more forward sounding than the Sim. Extremely powerful bass and the midrange and top end sounded ever so slightly exaggerated or tilted up (almost like a tone control tilt). The Sim sounds way more refined and coherent top to bottom. The Sim is very detailed and has an almost tube like mid and top end. When pushed hard the Sim does not change tonally but the Plinius gets a little shouty and in you face in the top end. If temperature is an issue the Plinius gets very warm although the Sim stays cool to very light warm. I like both of these amps very much but for me there was no contest. The Sim was better in every way, but I could see someone with very laid back speakers and components that needed a boast (so to speak) leaning toward the Plinius. If your system is well balanced and you could afford (almost 2 x’s the $ on the used market) the Sim would be the clear winner.....good luck!
@viber6

When I was trying to help a fellow audiophile decide between 2 amps he was interested in (Plinius vs Simaudio) that I have owned recently, and used the term "The Sim is very detailed and has an almost tube like mid and top end". The key words are "ALMOST TUBE LIKE". I thought that term (without getting too wordy or technical) would best describe the sound of the midrange and top end. I guess I could have said the mid and top end are smooth, liquid, non fatiguing, easy on the ears....or possibly the mid and top end frequency range could be attenuated by a few db making it easier to listen to for long periods of time. I thought by simply saying "The Sim is very detailed and has an almost tube like mid and top end" would be descriptive enough to understand by most posters on this thread.....well except you I guess.  

Perhaps you should put together a list of adjectives and audiophile terms that we all can use on this thread.
@viber6

I understand what you are saying it's just I think you are being nit-picky. We all have heard/used the term 'sounds more like SS or more tube like' to describe the sound of a component and most of us completely understand what that generally means without completely dissecting the terminology. The following is an excerpt from a review in SoundStage written by Doug Schneider comparing the Simaudio 870a with 3 other amps.

Another characteristic of the 870A is something I now consider to be a hallmark of Simaudio’s top integrated and power amplifiers, as I’ve heard it in every such model I’ve reviewed: an ultraclean sound combined with a subtle richness, fullness, and sweetness in the top frequencies of the audioband that’s quite unlike the sound of any other solid-state amp I’ve heard, including the three discussed in the foregoing paragraph. For me, golden is the word that best describes this characteristic, which sounded not unlike the top-end smoothness and richness of a great tube amp. This quality revealed itself readily with recorded cymbals. For example, 42 seconds into “Within,” from a high-resolution version of Daft Punk’s Random Access Memories (24-bit/88.2kHz FLAC, Columbia/Édition Studio Masters), cymbals begin to be lightly struck. Through the 870A, the golden tone at the top gave the cymbals real weight, with the authentic sound of wood on metal.

He goes on to say.

 I wouldn’t describe the 870A’s midrange as being as “golden” or “tube-like” as its topmost frequencies, but it was still subtly richer and warmer than all but the Ayre VX-5 (and Ayre’s more expensive VX-R, which I reviewed almost two years ago). As a result, voices had enough body, texture, and weight to sound authentic and real, as opposed to the thin, lifeless sound that many associate with solid-state amplification. Petra Magoni’s silky voice on Musica Nuda’s self-titled debut album (16/44.1 FLAC, BHM) was rendered with absolute purity, and just the right amount of presence to give it realism. Willie Nelson’s voice is usually quite close-miked on his recordings -- it tends to sound full, present, and rich no matter what kind of system you use -- yet even with a hi-rez rig, he can still sound dry if the electronics lean that way, as I’ve heard in my house with various amps. But through the 870A, Nelson’s voice throughout his new album of duets, To All the Girls . . . (16/44.1 FLAC, Columbia/Legacy), had the fullness and presence inherent in the recording, along with the subtle richness and warmth that’s inherent in the 870A’s sound, which made it sound nothing short of spectacular. If you think that all solid-state amps sound inherently lean, listen to the 870A -- it’ll likely change your mind.


In Doug's review he uses terms like ultraclean, subtle richness, fullness, sweetness, golden tone, tube-like, warmer, thin, lifeless sound that many associate with solid-state amplification and so on.....Again he states "I wouldn’t describe the 870A’s midrange as being as “golden” or “tube-like” as its topmost frequencies, but it was still subtly richer and warmer than all but the Ayre VX-5 (and Ayre’s more expensive VX-R, which I reviewed almost two years ago). As a result, voices had enough body, texture, and weight to sound authentic and real, as opposed to the thin, lifeless sound that many associate with solid-state amplification."........Here Doug uses the term golden and tube-like to describe the top end and richer and warmer to describe the midrange.  


I think my description of the Sim in my system being "almost tube-like in the mid and top end" isn't that far off of this reviewers description of the same amp.


I really don't think nit-picking the way posters describe the way they think a component sounded in there system is beneficial to anyone in this thread.


Thanks for the Vid....#2 better in every way.  I also think the Ref 6 would have added to the overall sound.