Musical Preference: US or UK?


This sounds like a dumb question. It isn't. A few month's ago, after a good night of drinking and "smoking," myself and a friend got into a debate about music. It really wasn't US is better then English music or any sort of that muck. But an exploration as to why non aggressive new music works in the UK and hasn't in the States.

At first he was offended, not because he's a Canadian but because he once was a musician. I suggested that the english scene still thrives with "pop" where US "pop" has diminished to N'sync and Jessica Simpson. In the UK you have so much avaliable that doesn't have an aggressive message. Take Massive Attack and RadioHead as an example. Even hip-hop from the likes of Tricky isn't that aggressive. The lyrics are softer, yet can be taken with the same amount of street cred.

In an earlier thread a person mentioned the Smith's. But you can take it even further...Billy Bragg, The Cure, Depeche Mode..good popish tunes yet not N'sync. Pop is all but dead musically in the states, yet it still thrives in the UK.

And while the UK scene still has aggressive bands like say, The Prodigy, Goldy, and a host of harder rock bands, they still have a nice mix of neutral-pop bands.

I think alot of what was done in the early 60'6 to late 70's was great on both sides but then the UK went one route while the States took another. Some of my favorite bands of all time hail from the US. Janes Addiction, Sublime, Rage Against the Machine. A harder edge. I think back to the 80's and I remember great bands like Gun's N Rose's, Metallica, Motely Crue...while the UK had a mix of that and the Smiths. Then fast forward to the 90's. We had a mix of gangster rap and harder sounding rock from the likes of Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden...the entire Seattle thing actually.

While the UK went in a different direction again, with Brit-pop like Blur, Radiohead, and Elastica. While still spreading their wings with electronic music from The Chemical Brothers, Massive Attack, Portishead, and The Prodigy.

It just seems to me that after the 70's the North American scene in general went in a single direction be it hip hop or rock. Aggressive. While the british still seem to pull it off without coming across as cheesy.

The only reason I wrote this entire thread was because I've had a few listening to The Allman Brothers Live at The Fillmore. And its become really clear that this was a different time when experimentation was open and applauded.
lush

Showing 4 responses by ben_campbell

Lush I think your points are pretty much correct on the surface.
However you are looking at pretty mainstream music I'm sure there is a whole undercurrent of bands in the States doing the type of music you mention.
From the top of my head you could throw in Fountains Of Wayne,Ryan Adams,Sufjan Stevens,Wilco,LCD Soundsystem,Flaming Lips,REM and countless others..... all bands that don't quite fit your theory.
You can continue with the whole Alt-country thing and power pop genres right through to the post-rock experimental sounds of Tortoise and God Speed You Black Emperor.

I think America is just as vibrant as the UK in the genres you mention,you just need to scratch the surface.
Aceto I'm not sure I would agree with your analysis about the UK.
I tend to think we've seen some slow but massive cultural changes over the last 25 years especially in politics.
I'm not so sure the UK still fits your description above.

My guess would be there are still wide cultural differences between the UK and US but that a lot of the issues affecting people from political issues to trends on home entertainment,music buying etc. are pretty much similar though the overall differences remain..
In short the trends are similar if the starting points are different.

The world is much smaller,issues are more linked in a global sense and the 'net to some extent has made it one big open market.
Lush well it isn't really mainstream-the list of bands I mention are mostly "underground" here in the UK.

The charts now are completely different and there are very noticeable differences between what sells between the two countries;the most noticeable being the dominance of R&B/HipHop in the US charts.Having said that there were always differences in the charts (especially singles)
You need to be aware we sell a lot more cheesy pop and novelty records in the UK.
Another complication is that singles sales are a mere fraction here in the UK with regards what they used to be.
However I would need to see the figures to see if overall there is a higher % of sales in the UK with regards the more experimental music-I rather suspect it's quite similar.

What we do appear to have here in the UK is a much more vibrant music press which may give the UK scene the appearance of it being more eclectic.

What is interesting is that with the recent exception of Coldplay (and before them Radiohead and Bush) very very few British bands have made major sales dents in the US.
The decades before that saw bands with much more success both sides of the Atlantic.

It's an ever changing world the music and one which has saw music develop as part of mass mainstream entertainment.
Blur have been one of the more experimental bands to come out of the UK in a while not unlike Wilco in the way they've taken a core sound and took it strange places.

As for the above synopsis of the UK in the 90's I have to say there was a wee bit more happening than that.