Check out the reviews on the Cary Cinema 5. I noticed they have a demo unit for sale with full warranty at Upscale Audio.
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I had read about Butler audio a few weeks ago. I was going to check it out more due to Triangle liking tubes also. When I first auditioned the Triangles it was with NAD gear first the regular integrated and then the masters series. I also heard them on a tube but not sure what it was.
Krugorg: Any experience with Cary audio?
I recommend one of the multichannel amps by ATI. The AT1800 series is unbalanced, the AT2000 and AT3000 series are balanced amps. http://www.ati-amp.com/
I own both Bryston and ATI -- I believe ATI is a better value. You might also consider Parasound Halo.
ATI is a very good value I must say. Can someone enlighten me on the sound. Also do they run very hot? I would like to put it in a piece of furniture which has good ventilation I feel or should it be in the open?
Also, Butler. Can some one describe the hybrid thing to me with it being a tube/ solid state? What kind of maintance would I expect?
thanks alot for all
Clwhitlock: what about maintance due to the tube side of this amp? What type of pro or pre are you using?
Also, what about quality of the pro going to the amp? Right now I'm going to continue to use my NAD receiver till I build up money for a new one. Is It a bad move right now doing it piece by piece if I don't know what company I'm going to use for the pro down the road? Would it be better if I do this as a due purchase? I'm going the pro/pro route cause of how tech changes anymore and I just can't see dumping more money into a new receiver and pretty much throwing the amp out at that point.
Jim, I use the ATI AT602 in my office system driving M&K 4 ohm nearfield monitors. I sit literally at arms length from the speakers. I don't think the amp has a sound, at least, not one significantly different from the NAD C320BEE integrated amp or the Decware ZEN SET amp that preceded it.
Heat is not a problem for me because I'm probably using only a few watts. Since you plan to put the amp in a cabinet, it might be better to choose the higher wattage model. An email to ATI would give you a definitive answer.
I own Bryston 7B SST monoblocks and I would not hesitate in choosing one of ATI's balanced amps.
Thanks for the reply. Here is my thoughts on everything that I have been going through the past few weeks. I just like NAD. I don't know why I just do. My receiver has not let me down for 7 years now and the reason I feel I ended up with Triangle speakers is due to NAD sound. I was going to jump on a used masters series amp and then thought about getting their new regular 7 channel piece due to a match fit and that I am seriuosly considering the 175 pro. I have heard the 785 already in a theatre at a house i was at a few weeks ago and really liked the setup. I felt that the separate amp would deff give me all the head room I would need, but I wanted to cover al my bases and see if it was worth the time seeking out some other alts. Your post got me thinking when you said about the ATI not being much diff in your eyes than the NAD BEE.
Also you mention Bryston and ATI again. You feel they are very similar?
I typically mention Bryston, ATI and Parasound Halo all in the same breath simply because they all measure well, have good warranties, come from reputable companies and from what I've heard sound much more alike than different.
I also like NAD, especially their integrated amps, so I don't think going with NAD could be considered a mistake at all. And I think I saw where they have released a pre/pro with the Audyssey room correction system. I'm a fan of keeping electronics all in the family, so an all NAD system should be quite good.
I also think it's important to have as many watts as you can afford. And that's my one beef with Bryston, i.e., their 9B multichannel amp. I would like to see it be at least 200 wpc.
Thanks for the reply. I am like you that I did want to keep everything kinda in the same family. That's also why I migrated towards NAD again.
I figured I would do the 775 for the amp. i would use the 175 for my processor and that way I can also biamp the fronts for 2 channel if I decide to add the pre amp they make.
or i was going to try and look for a used masters series integrated.
my speakers have a 93 effeciency so i figured 140w per ch was way more than enough for my listening room which is 22 long and 17 deep with 9 foot ceilings.
any thoughts from anyone else out there too?
I recommend that you go to the ButlerAudio web site and study the specs and design comments there. Tube life is touted to be very long and I have had no maintenance issues. I use a Anthem D2 HT processor now, but used a Lexicon MC 12 before that. Have also used an Adcom prepro with the Butler and it sounded great.
None, unless your ONLY real concern is HT. I have been through a bunch of multi-channel amps in hopes that I would find one that does a very good job in 2-channel and a decent job in HT/multi-channel. These include Krell 1500, Proceed, Conrad Johnson and the "highly acclaimed/reviewed" Theta Dreadnaught II. None of them could compare to a two channel or mono amp for 2-channel reproduction, even 2 channel amps at a fraction of the multi channel amps pricing.
I appreciate your goals and objectives with space and cost, but trust me if you really listen to 2-channel music, you will never be satisfied with a 5-7 multi channel amp. This being said, spend $2000-$2,500 on a good used 2-channel and the balance on a 3 channel amp. Hide the 3-channel amp behind the speakers or someplace and use a remote turn-on tied to your DVD player.
The only model I have ever really liked for two channel is the BAT VK6200 which can be configured from 2 channels up to 6. It is a very large unit however and with 6 channels becomes pricey and heavy. I prefer the Anthem lineup for pre/pro and amps. The latest Statement lineup is outstanding and with a good tubed CDP the 2 channel listening is quite impressive. The P-2 and P-5 amps are a nice addition to the lineup if more power is needed for your speakers. I have an integrated 2 channel HT setup. I however use a separate 2 channel amp and preamp for the 2 channel side. I have a BAT preamp that allows me to do this very easily. I think once you experience the true two channel system, you can not go back. Cary would be my next suggestion.
Tsmack is right in regards to the separation between 2-channel performance and multi-channel. I have not listened to the BAT 6200, but have run BAT amps in the past (VK 60 monoblocks) and also both Bat and Cary preamps (VK 5i and SLP 2002) to allow me to have a pretty much straight 2-channel set-up while being able to incorporate the HT. I am not familiar with the Anthem sound so I cannot comment on this aspect of his rec.
But he is 100% correct in his statement that once you have had a better 2-channel rig then drop down to a multi-channel rig via a Pre/Pro and multi-channel amp, you are likely to never be satisfied again with the systems 2-channel performance.
I have one of the better pre/pros available, Krell HTS 7.1 (new as of Dec. 07) that incorporates the Krell Cast-like/based pre-amp and am now questioning whether I wouldn't be better off with a new 2-channel only pre-amp with HT passthrough or unity gain. My search is on!