Moving From USA Overseas... Looking For Advice re: Electrical Service and Gear


hello all,

i'm moving from the USA to Vietnam (220V / 50 hz) and am looking for some advice on the best and safest way to hook up my system out there.  the area i'm moving to - district 2 in ho chi minh city - apparently has power outages monthly.  any advice on safely running my gear out there would be appreciated.

  • is it better to have my gear converted to 220V, or simply use a 220V - 120V step down transformer?
  • should i use an uninterruptible power supply (UPS / battery backup) or is a good surge protector sufficient?
  • is it possible to use a step down transformer in line with a UPS, ie, wall to UPS, UPS to transformer, transformer to gear?

as you can see, i have no idea what's the best and safest way to run USA spec equipment in Vietnam and would appreciate all inputs and recommendations.

thanks!
Scott 
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Transformers and autoformers cannot convert frequency. I took a look at the Acupwr devices that were referred to, and I could not find any meaningful information at the site as to how the conversion they provide is accomplished. But it seems to me that there must be some parts and circuitry inside the devices in addition to the "autotransformer" (i.e., autoformer) that is indicated on their label. Which leads me to wonder how pure and undistorted a sine wave the device outputs, if it is in fact a sine wave at all, with that concern heightened by the fact that these devices are described as being intended for use with refrigerators, freezers, and other such appliances.

Before purchasing one of these things I would email the company and ask if they would recommend them for use with a high quality stereo system, and if they can provide some idea of how the frequency conversion is accomplished, and how much distortion is present on the AC output.

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al

Al, why don't you contact them? You will know what they are saying.
Done!  I'll post back if and when I receive a response.

Regards,
-- Al
 

Thanks for the additional info, Lucidear. Following is the text of the inquiry I sent to Acupwr via their website:

Regarding your autotransformers that can convert from 50 to 60 Hz and vice versa, and are indicated as being intended for use with refrigerators, freezers, and other such appliances:

1)Would you recommend that these autotransformers can be used to power a high quality stereo system?

2)Can you provide me with some indication as to how these devices convert frequency? As an electrical engineer I know that a transformer or autoformer by itself cannot do so.

3)Can you provide me with some indication of how greatly the resulting output differs from a pure sine wave. For example is it a stepped approximation of a sine wave, or a sawtooth waveform, or some other approximation of a sine wave having large amounts of distortion?

Thank you.

Shortly afterward I received a phone call from a fellow who described himself as being non-technical but who said he had spoken to one of their technical people. He said that the tech person told him the output is essentially a pure sine wave, but that they would only recommend these devices for use with motor-driven appliances, and would not recommend them for use with a stereo system. I asked why that would be the case if the output is essentially a pure sine wave, and he couldn’t provide an answer but thought it had something to do with the connected motor providing a "kick" of some sort to the transformer. I repeated question 2 to him and again he couldn’t answer. He said he would try to have the tech person contact me to provide further detail, but that hasn’t happened yet.

I’ll post back if and when the tech person provides further info. Meanwhile I can only speculate that the "kick" he refers to, that would be provided by a connected motor, might have something to do with a phenomenon called "inductive kickback." That is the principle by which the induction coil in a car generates the very high voltage pulse that is applied to the spark plugs, and is the reason that a tube amp having an output transformer (which is inductively based) should not be operated without a load.


The bottom line at this point: I would not take the chance of using these devices with valuable audio equipment. Also, as was indicated earlier in the thread there are many audio components that are designed such that they can be used at both frequencies, as long as the voltage is proper. That should be indicated on their nameplate and/or in their manual.

Best regards,

-- Al


Acupwr also makes step down transformers that only effect the voltage - frequency remains unchanged. I have confirmed that all of my gear will be fine on 50hz, so am only considering these units.
Great! I see no reason to be concerned about functionality issues or damage occurring with the step-down transformers that don’t purport to convert frequency. I don’t have any feel, though, for whether or not they would compromise sonics to any degree. Although I’d expect the degree of any such compromise, if present at all, to be system dependent.

FWIW I once had occasion to use a much less expensive 120V to 100V step-down transformer I purchased from www.voltageconverters.com, in a relatively non-critical application in a second system. It worked fine in that application, with no perceivable sonic side-effects.

Inna, while as you say USA voltages can vary significantly, and are considered to be in spec as long as they are between 114 and 126 volts (i.e., 120V +/- 5%), my impression is that the 60 Hz frequency is very tightly controlled. And things I’ve read in the past have indicated that typically it is monitored such that if synchronous clocks accumulate very small errors over a period of say a few hours (perhaps even well under a second of error, although I’m not sure of the exact amount), the frequency is adjusted very slightly to gradually bring them back to the correct time.

Regarding turntables having synchronous motors, if a particular model does not provide a means by which it can be adjusted for 50 Hz operation, then, yes, I’d expect it to run slow.

Best regards,
-- Al

I don't know the answer to that, Scott, or what the reason might be that it would be a bad idea.  And I'd imagine that the answer might depend on the design of the specific conditioner.  So all I can suggest is checking with Running Springs, as was suggested earlier.

Best regards,
-- Al
 
Thanks for providing the article, Scott.  Everything it says is well explained and makes sense.  However the kind of surge protector it addresses is the kind that utilizes sacrificial "varistors" ("MOVs" being the most common type of varistor), in designs that shunt surges to ground.

Most inexpensive surge protectors, that are commonly used for computers and other non-audiophile applications, are designed that way.  However I believe that the majority of relatively expensive protectors and conditioners that are marketed to audiophiles are not designed in that manner.  For example the BrickWall conditioner/surge protector I used to use, and the Audience conditioner/surge protector I currently use, do not use MOVs or other sacrificial devices and do not shunt surges to ground.

So hopefully RS will respond about the suitability of connecting their particular design to an autoformer.

Best regards,
-- Al