More power for better sound at low volumes?

For starters, there’s a lot of good information in the answers above. Try some of them to determine what works in your environment (room, amp, speakers, etc.).

I listen to my system primarily at night when other family members are sleeping. I once fought the frustrations of low-level listening and tried many things to improve the sound: different amps, sources, speakers, subs, etc. Not necessarily in this order, here are the three solutions that worked for me.

1. Modern Speakers. I admire older/vintage speakers and have owned dozens. Many have beautiful wood cabinets and attractive/interesting designs. Not all new speakers are better, of course, but a few stand out. For me and my room, the best options were speakers from Paradigm and B&W. Both brands have a wide selection of value/quality speakers and many price points. The two finalists were the B&W CM5 and the Paradigm Reference Series 20 v.5. After several auditions the Paradigms 20's won. I don’t use a sub because the Paradigms meet the needs of my room and ears.

2. Quality, Modern Source. The sky is the limit if you want to spend money but don’t be fooled by reviews and prices. After spending a lot of time and money auditioning different sources, the Oppo BDP-95 was the clear winner. It has excellent sound quality as well as an eclectic mix of inputs, outputs, and features to meet my needs.

3. Amplifier Technique (pre/power): My real answer to the original question: How to achieve good low-level sound quality. I think the key is to boost/EQ frequencies that don’t respond well at low volumes. I hope I haven’t bored people with the Speaker/Source comments. I think it’s important to think of audio playback as a system and there are many important parts. Amplifier configuration is the key to low-level listening in my room. I have an integrated amplifier with two key features: bass/treble controls and a tone/bypass switch. The bass/treble controls are both positioned at 3 o’clock which is somewhat aggressive. For low-level listening, I use the tone/bypass switch to engage the bass and treble settings. This brings both low and high frequencies into better level alignment with mid frequencies creating a near-flat response. Adjust for your room and volume level as needed. When listening at medium/high levels, I engage the tone/bypass switch to remove the bass/treble controls from the circuit. At medium/high levels, my speakers are better able to respond and the sound is excellent without bass/treble alteration. Also, I can control the tone/bypass switch with a remote which makes this technique very convenient. The same technique can be used in any system with bass/treble controls. The level of manual effort varies slightly if your system doesn't have the remote capability.

I have built and modified many amps and pre amps and the biggest difference is in the power supply. This doesn't mean buy a power conditioner which will help if you actually have currupted power in your location but that will not correct a cheaply made power supply. This does make the most difference at low volummes because you are not far from the noise floor. Better capacitors,bypassing, and high speed soft stop or hexfred diodes make a huge difference and again because of lower levels the most bang for the buck is in the pre amp. Forget more power, maybe better lower power never forgetting the pre amp is first.

Mapman, I dont think high efficient speakers will always be better at low volume. I do maybe 75% of my listening at lower volume so I am very tuned into this with my upgrades. First thing I ask the dealers to do is turn down the volume and you usually hear the life drain out of the music. Many hours and many speakers lead me to think high efficiency helps low volume sound, but I am certain there will be exceptions.

Mike60,

I would tend to agree with your assessment.

Lower efficiency often goes in hand with deeper bass extension. The Fletcher-Munson Effect that ALmarg referenced comes into play at lower volumes still which negates that aspect of the design somewhat at lower volume, in lieu of specialized equalization at the lower volume.

Higher efficiency speakers as a whole will probably tend to do all the rest better in general since they will punt somewhat on the bass extension in favor of other things, but there are many exceptions, so it is very hard to generalize effectively.

I like the comment about power supplies. We've been using HEXFREDs for 17 years; getting rid of the noise floor is a big deal when you have to run the amp at lower power levels.

In amplifiers if there are published specs, look for the distortion to decline linearly towards zero without a dip and increase as power decreases. You will find that this rules about about 90% of existing amplifiers, but if you play the amp at low power a lot is well worth while; IMO that is true even if you don't.

I went from sim i5.3 (85) to kwi 200 (200)a side.Absolutly yes.Has all the bass definition and dynamics intact.Really had to strain to hear(plus im getting Old)with lower wattage amp.

"Better sound," as pointed out by some of the comments here, is such a nebulous concept and means quite different things to different people, depending on what type of musical experience they prefer. Notice that I say "musical," for surely the passion that music may or not display is primary to and not always related to the sound, as many people assume. In fact, mild distortion is sometimes capable of adding a pleasant dimension to the music and can add to its enjoyment. About a year ago, I authored an approach to musical enjoyment on my own website, www.tut37alive.net/ and I think I titled it "So You Want to Buy a High-End Stereo?" Though my site covers such topics as Love. Death, Morality, etc., some readers may find it interesting.

The "key" in the question posed by Rustler was: ALL 'things' being 'equal'!
Rustler, having been a sales consultant for Clevelands' premiere A/V dealer and a CERTIFIED electronics tech since 1984, 'it' really does come down to 'basic electronics'!

IT TAKES TEN TIMES (10X) THE POWER FOR A HUMAN TO PERCEIVE SOUND TO BE TWICE (2X) AS LOUD…PERIOD.

YES . . . more (QUALITY) power will provide a 'cleaner' LOW-VOLUME sound, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL!

HOPE 'THIS' HELPS, WITHOUT ALL THE 'TWEAKY-BABBLE'!

"If not, what is the secret to better low volume sound?"

A good pure class A ss amp or a good SET amp would be half the equation. The other half would be the right speaker. Many multiple way speakers do not sound coherent until they are turned up a bit.

Sometime in your journey you should try a SET mated with an appropriate speaker. It's may not be the end of the road for you but I think will be "near" the end.

Jlance369, but it doesn't take the overuse of uppercase letters to perceive your point any louder or cleaner.

Upper case letters are clearer at low volume.

I've had giant horn loaded speakers and small bookshelf speakers...at the same low volume level they both are low in volume, and things aren't as audible because they just aren't. That's just the way it is, and one must learn to accept it. Or not.

Switching from Paradigm Studio 100 speakers to Avalon Acoustics Eidolon speakers with no change in electronics created a huge improvement in low level listening.

Initially, it seemed like the Eidolons provided better low volume bass. After further listening it became obvious the Eidolons were simply far better at providing a cohesiveness throughout the entire bandwidth at any volume compared to the Paradigms.

An obvious price difference for sure. The lesson learned was the overall importance in the roll of a quality speaker system over quality electronics.

Considering you're using panel speakers I would strongly suggest auditioning the Saunders Sound Magtech amplifier using their free trial offer even though your current electronics are outstanding. There is another post here were an owner of Dartzeel electronics recently switched to JRDG and found them superior.