MoFi controversy


I see this hasn't been mentioned here yet, so I thought I'd put this out here.  Let me just say that I haven't yet joined the analog world, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

It was recently revealed that Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs one step LPs are being cut from digital masters (DSD) rather than being straight analog throughout the chain.

Here is one of the many Youtube videos that discusses it

 

To me, it seems that if MOFI is guilty of anything, it's "deception by omission."  That is, they were never open about the process and the use of digital in the chain. 

One thing to mention is that hardly anyone is criticizing the sound quality of these LPs, even after this revelation.  Me personally, I wouldn't spend over one hundred dollars for any recording regardless of the format.

 

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@blisshifi - I’m not Ralph @atmasphere but I posted this to another site as my understanding of MoFi’s work flow:

According to AZ Mike in today’s recap video (this one, the day after the "interview" video posted), once they have the 4XDSD file, they use their analog mastering system. There’s a video a page or so up thread (here), which has 3 minutes of Krieg talking about mastering and shows their set up.
People asked about mixing or working with 4XDSD- my take, more as an analog than digital guy, is that the file gets played back (not sure they told us what digital recorder and playback they use) into the analog mastering set up. There, it looks like Krieg has a pretty full board, can mix (to the extent two tracks allow you to do anything), pan and probably EQ. I know they can use outboard units too- @TLMusic (who I haven’t seen in a while told me George Peckham aka Porky was famous for using those rare Fairchild tube limiter/compressors on his mastering set up, which gave it that beefy, bombastic sound).
Anyway, it seems like one of their advantages is process, apart from custom made Tim de Paravicini analog paths (probably preamps, amps and modifications to the lathe?). They are able to cut an acetate, have it plated and pressed and listen to it, as one would a regular LP. And they claim they did this multiple times, to hear how their "work" actually played. That would be an advantage. Over tape? Maybe if you are worried about a fragile tape, but I think the problem isn’t the condition of the true mixed down master, it’s that the labels won’t let ’em out the door. And if these guys found it easier, faster, better for work flow to just do the 4XDSD (I dunno), we’ll see how many of the recent releases went the DSD route rather than analog tape. Based on the interview, I suspect a fair amount.
Happy to be corrected on any of this."
@blisshifi -I don’t know if that answers your question. The benefit to you (as opposed to MoFi) is that you are playing a digitized file (cut by analog means and processes) through whatever turntable playback system you have; in my case, my vinyl front end is far better than my digital front end, so I benefit from that. Does it have some of the drawbacks of vinyl? Of course-- out of my cold dead hands, right?
I don’t think this is about the superiority of either format or medium. Both can be good or bad. It’s all about MoFi’s integrity, selling based on process for improved sonics. The argument about "well it sounds better so what’s the harm" excuses what I think are some serious efforts to mislead regarding their "steps." I think the fact they hid this to be appalling, but I’m also willing to give them the time to make it right, if that is possible. It is not going to happen overnight.
 

 

OK. So, go to In Groove Mike’s page on YouTube. Before this controversy, I had not realized how much people rely on Internet videos for guru-ism. In Groove Mike is not a slick guy, and was characterized as a "strip mall record salesman." He’s not. He owns his own building in Phoenix, and knows records- apparently his store is a lot of fun, with all the audiophile warhorses (yawn, but I get it). He loves MoFi and collects it.

He did an expose video on July 14, he flew out to the Mofi mastering lab on July 19, met with the three engineers and video recorded a discussion, which he posted on July 20. (Again, if you go to his YT channel, you’ll find it). This is where the MoFi engineers conceded that they did a lot of the mastering from the 4XDSD. Mike then posted a follow up on July 21--kind of a post-mortem of what went down at the "bunker" session the day before. Mike was crushed since he loves MoFi. Obviously (or not), he and the engineers spent time talking about the landscape of what they would cover before the bright lights glowed at the mastering lab.

MoFi is now providing supplemental information on its sources on line, starting with the recent and soon to be released stuff. They will apparently work backwards into the legacy stuff that is sold out. My understanding was, all the One Steps were based on a 4xDSD file, but don’t take my word for it-- check the interview video. There are over 400 pages and somewhere near 10k posts on another site, but my mission is not to divert traffic. What’s interesting is that the MS Audio M hasn’t said anything yet- a few minions said, "get over it," but they only proved who they were beholden to.

Hope that helps.

@atmasphere said: "FWIW dept.: the correct term is 'lacquer'."

Thanks Ralph. I guess I always used the terms interchangeably. Not sure where I picked that up. We were still kids, I think, and one of my friends while in high school started engineering at a local studio. It was great fun for me to visit him at night when he got free time. Probably 1972. Old habits.