MoFi controversy

Dear @sokogear  : Elusive Disc is a direct retailer of MoFi. You can read in the link: instock.

 

" left only 10K " was an ironic way to said things. MoFi pressesd 10K LPs of this sample.

 

R.

 

 

Hurry, only 10K Lps " left ":

 

R.

Dear @bdp24  : Yes you are rigth because in D2D there is no chance to editing or second take and the players play under heavy stress but not only that because you need engeenering/gentlemans that really have deep knowledge, skills and experience with that kind of demanding recording proccess for even they.

 

Analog Production/AcousticSound recorded a D2D series and I have to say that all samples are really a dissapointment against Sheffield/M&K experiences.

 

So not easy for any one to do it.

Now @alexberger  posted that who needs those One Step recordings when we can get the DSD direct version. We have to remember that any digital copy of PCM/DSD are and original master nothing less than that.

 

DSD and even 32/384 PCM recordings beats analog and nothing wrong with that due that every technology out there works inside its limits an pure analog can't do better today when digital " everyday " is growing-up.

 

R.

Dear @daveyf  and friends : Folk Singer is just another very good recording and always will be " Folk Singer " and your experience obviously is system dependet.

I posted before " since when MoFi was doing digital " and well since 2011 and way before that some of us posted here that many non-MoFi LPs were digital recorded and not only almost all of you just did not care about but even blamed to the one that posted on.

 

Today that all know for sure about the LP digital recording every one blame MoFi when in the past almost no one of you took in count that several MoFi were digital as I posted many years ago and several times and not only with MoFi.

The analog recording industry ( AP, Music Direct, Elusive, Classic records, and many more ) in reality grow-up mainly with LP re-issues and with nothing really new recordings but re-issues: 3, 4 or even 7/8 different kind of same title re-issues and almost all of us were buying as crazy horses. Every new reissue ( no matter what. ) we buy it. Why, who cares ! ! 

The LP stampede started around 20 years ago and it follows today and this thread confirm that stampede.

 

3/4 years ago I left it. I made a stop in the road and asked my self: why in hell am I running in this long no sense LP stampede when there is nothing new ? and since then I stop to buy re-issues no matters what.

 

The best QS LP  happened way before the " stampede " with some of the D2D by Sheffield, M&K, Cristal Clear and the like that even today can´t be ouperformed and the AP efforst with its D2D recordings was not not only near those references but really bad D2D recordings.

For years I posted that digital medium is the superior alternative and no one today can't stop digital that always will be better. The One Step re-issues confirm that.

 

R.

 

Anyway, the world is in continuous movement and a lot of people have no other best way of life that spend any kind of money for truly little rewards but such is life.

 

@atmasphere  and audiophiles : This link confirm what I posted ( I try not to post just at " random ". ):  that a 300K price tag speakers uses caps as " equalizers " too due to its heavy colorations against " neutrality ". This beautiful made Tidal top of the line use 5 different caps between the Duelund models , Mundorf model and Audyn ones and it uses too the " terrible " Duelund resistors that I know are " terrible " because I used in my speakers and by coincidence under measurements along other resistors the Duelund were really bad.. It looks " impressive " and what Tidal said is true : a Tidal stand alone crossover has a higher price than top pair of speakers. Go figure ! ! :

 

Well, there is nothing new if you know where and what to look for.

 

R.

 

 

Dear @atmasphere : " If I were you I’d be looking at a better quality capacitor rather than simply removing them. "

 

One of the latest 5 years targets in my system was changes inside my speakers to improve its QS and was precisely to find out the best caps out there and that " find out " took me as 3 years of tests, patience and a lot of money till I choosed the best caps no matter what.

 

But even that with not only a truly neutral cap with very low developed distortions and that in any operation condition makes the rigth job still the best cap is no cap at all and that’s why the trade-off I choosed is no cap.

 

Yesterday I remember whom was the ADS L 2030 designer that after left ADS ( several years ago ) started his own speaker manufacture that’s Aerial Acoustics and I sended an email asking for his advice. He was the creator of my loudspeakers. We will see.

 

Btw, maybe you or some one else could think that if I spended heavy money with the caps adventure why not put that money in a new speakers and seems logic but it's not only that I'm accustom to my ADS but that are really good performers even today and in the other side maybe I need over 50K to be in the same league than my ADS and need more money than that to outperformed and who knows about because all those very good and very expensive speakers its crossovers are full of bs " boutique/fancy " caps that's what the audiophiles are looking for but all of them from Duelund to teflon V-caps and passing for Mundorf ant the like are way colored caps, as a fact the less colored of those  kind of caps are the Alumen by jantzen. Another issue with those expensive speakers is that in the crossovers almost always use by-pass caps as the Duelund silver that almost all audiophiles love and that been a by-pass is almost stupid because helps to nothing down there. Anyway, I will wait for the L 2030 designer advise.

 

R.

Dear @atmasphere  . : Thank's, I already understand that but as anything in audio always exist a trade off and we need to choose what we think is the best trade-off and seems to me that the crossover caps makes more degradation to the signal reproduced by those woofers that the eventually " distortion " generated with out the caps.

In the other side those woofers goes down to 16hz and common sense ( not with technical foundation. ) tells me that it does not play way higher than its crossover design at 450 and as a fact still have a first order filter through the in series inductor.

 

Anyway, you explanation appreciated. Thank's again.

 

R.

Dear @moonwatcher  ; These are two reasons  to focus on system fine tunning and enjoy listening MUSIC instead buy LPs " new " re-issues or new audio equipment. 

Today the MUSIC reproduction at my place is a full enjoyment " jail " that does not permits any thing but following the listening experience:

This came from my post in other thread.

Btw, sorry to disturb the OP thread/subject:

 

Btw, no one in that tech-talk forum shared opinion about the woofers inductor crossover subject and there are heavy knowledge level gentlemans as erik , bdp, graynnig and many others but maybe do not posted because are still a little " angry/disturbed " with me when I posted that the boutique/fancy capacitors are just bs against the overall  industry ( not in specific and only audio but whole ) standard caps.

R.

Dear @atmasphere : As you know I use my 20.6’s as amps and as crossover to the speakers woofers can runs over around 80hz ( first order crossover. ).

 

The ADS woofers then crossover to the mid range at 450hz. The woofers are made of pulp/paper ( two 14" woofers each speaker. ) and the 3.5 mH silver inductor is wired in series with the woofer + input and from the + amp output and negative is direct to the amp output negative.

 

So, the stock crossover is a second order and with out the caps I understand is now a first order crossover. Yes probably the woofers are not with the same linearity than with the caps but I already tested unders several play conditions: low/high SPL with solo instruments as violin or piano and full scores as the Gladiator movie CD or the Telarc 1812 and under any of those tests that I did it 3-4 times either what I been aware is a better QS not day and nigth difference but a difference for the better.

I know perfectly not only the LP/CD I used but I know really good my room/system overall performance and I can’t be aware of any minimum breackup, at least that be audible.

I know that a way different speaker design and obviously dedicated for the speaker but in the past Serblin designer/owner of Sonus Fqaber use only inductors in the crossover of some models. Of course that that is not a reference been a different drivers/design.

After what I posted here : do you still think that I must return the caps to the woofers crossover?

 

Thank’s in advance,

R.

Dear @theaudioamp  : Before I did it I connected the woofer hard wired to the amps outputs, this is with out inductor/caps and performs good with out any breackup I been aware with and my system has very high resolution with almost non-existent noise floor.

 

I really appreciated your post as the @atmasphere  too. Now, you said:

"" You need to capacitor to turn the woofer off before it starts creating problems. ""

Which kind of problems could be to appear in the woofer or amps.? can be damaged the woofers. Are excellent ADS drivers?

 

Thank's in advance,

R.

Dear @moonwatcher  : Agree. For the last 2-3 years I was and am focus to put at minimum every single distortion developed through the whole system chain and I did and do it at every single link on that chain.

 

I'm fine tunning my system that today has an incredible resolution that permits really easy to note any " microscopic " differences and that permit to enjoy the MUSIC the most.

I'm not buying hardware because I don't need it any more but improving what I have. My last move was to take out the caps in the speaker woofers crossover and left only the pure silver ribbon inductor and I will try to do the same with the speaker tweeter silk dome. At the end the best cap is no cap at all.

 

Details as those makes MUSIC.

 

R.

Dear friends: I think that some or many of us knew what @moonwatcher  postedddd b@theaudioamp  posted too: when one supports digital in the analog forum is threated as a " pariah ".

 

I never cared about and for to many years I " preached "  that digital is a superior SQ alternative no matters what and people like  @atmasphere  in one thread posted that if I was a digital  man why I " live " in the analog forum. Other gentlemans as m.lavigne disagree with me telling that still " today " analog normally is superior alternative but at the same time he accepted that DSD 2/4X could be excellent.

 

@alexberger  people like me that know for sure and for many years the SQ superiority of digital alternative stay in analogue because in my case I own 7K+ LPs but many of you are over 10K and this is the main reason, at least for me.

Alex you posted:

 

"" most of the new reissues, including the most famous audiophile brands, sound like digital. ""

sorry but that's no posible. The best SQ LP sounds as the best SQ LP  not digital.

My LP experiences told me that when recording manufacturers started to use digital medium the LP experience improved, especially in the bass frequency range.

I own a lot of PCM recorded LPs coming from Telarc, Chandos, Denon, Chalfont, etc, etc. The best Denon Lps or Telarcs as the 1812 have and excellent SQ even today and even are best that its reissues as the FIM 1812 resissiue that¿'s very good but the original is better.

 

I left to buy LPs for the last 2 years, today I do it but in very special ocasions. The LP industry has nothing new to shows up. First step or one side recordings and the like are not something new and unfortunatelly there are almost none new really new LP recordings but mainly reissues so why pay so many money for more of the same? and many of you already posted the answer: "  because I want the best SQ " . and my question here is " best quality sound " against what? which my reference ? and things are that almost all of us our reference is what we like it instead the live MUSIC or at least what's neaer to the recording.

 

We are accustom to the full/whole LP distortions generated/developed through the home system playback analog rig and phono stage. Things are that those " thousands " of bad any kind of distorions that degrades in heavy way what's in the recording are NICE to our ears, it's what we are accustom to and what we like no matter what.

 

I accepted the superiority of digital alternative many years ago because I'm not an analog lover but a MUSIC lover that's way different, so I want to listen the best SQ and today the only alternative that meet that target is digital.

 

The digital/analog issue is only common sense. Any one of you please analise each single step of all " manipulation " that suffers the LP recorded signal starting at the first moment that that archaic cartridge playback proccess starts till we reveive the sound through the speakers. That tortuose path is not high SQ but high degraded sound that's different.

 

Of course it's only an opinion.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

R.

Dear friends: I think that the real issue here and that no one posted about is not if those one step pressings came from a digital master because now we all know the true but the critical issue is the MoFi credibility because no one knows how much time MoFi was doing the same with out " notice " from audiophiles/analog lovers.  maybe the last 10-15 years?

 

I don't know and I dfon't care about. Things are what things are, that's all.

R.

Dear @ftran999  :  Thank's for your thread because it's a true fact confirmation that in the last 10+ years digital already outperformed the analog " dinosaur ".

Analog lovers ( I'm one. ) normally say analog still is at the top and all are wrong because there is no single fact/objective that can prove it when digital have a lot of facts that proves its superiority and this MoFi issue is one of those facts.

 

" To me, it seems that if MOFI is guilty of anything, it's "deception by omission."

Well in reality not even that. For years other LP recording manufacturers used digital sources and for some of those years the analog lovers not even took in count ! !  but " die for analog ", go figure.

"  I wouldn't spend over one hundred dollars..." certainly me neither when you can have by almost free been digital.

 

Regads and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.