Modification that has proved to be transformative


in a manner well beyond swapping out gear, tweaks, wire and the like. Ok Agoners I have owned and gone through lots of great gear as evidenced by my feedback:-)

However, over the past year I have learned something I want to share. Some of you will know all about this and others will have heard about it, but with doubts. Three words....

Duelund CAST capacitors

Sure, I have cap rolled and part rolled for a few years now. Fun stuff to do and sometimes I liked the change and other times not so much. However these CAST capacitors are an entirely different animal. I placed them in my tube preamp, hybrid amp and speakers. In each component the improvement was dramatic and a game changer in many ways. Universally, each component was greatly improved by a percentage easily exceeding 25 -30%. I can't understand why gear retailing for $10,000 or much more would skimp on a crossover or coupling cap. My hybrid amp used $30-$50 caps that sounded good, but not great. Same thing in my speakers for the midrange crossover caps. The Duelund CAST caps made these high dollar pieces sound the best they are capable of.

I picked these up at Parts Connextion at a great sale price recently. They are very expensive caps, but made more affordable due to the recent sale.
I cannot overstate how superior these are to all other boutique type caps often talked about in audio threads. This, at least in my experience, has been the case in my cap rolling endeavors. I say confidently they will greatly improve any component they are used in. No need to debate about synergy and the builders tuning with parts etc...as these CAST caps are just going to make good and great sounding gear much greater!

So if you have gear utilizing coupling caps in key circuit positions this is an upgrade that will deliver far more then their high cost. Spend your thousands here before any wire change or buying and selling gear. If your gear is of very high quality and the key circuit caps are good, but not Duelund CAST, consider a cap upgrade.

I purchased two .47 uf caps for $398 and four .22 uf caps for $800. I used these in my tube pre and hybrid amp. This is easily the best $1200 I have spent in my 30 plus years in audio. As much as wire and certain tweaks do improve the sound, these caps did even more. Other highly touted caps did not garner quite this reaction from me in my system.

Now, these caps would have cost me double this if not on sale. However, they would still have qualified as a best buy in terms of their impact on my music.
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I just learned that the new rectangle chassis is only for special order 'smaller' value capacitors. For me it looks like I`ll have to use the moonpie(round) chassis instead.
163mm diameter = 6.5" fairly large, height is 26mm.
Regards,
Grannyring,
I appreciate your very interesting experince/insight with these capacitors. It does seem like money well spent. My amplifier and linestage use interstage transformers in place of coupling caps and resistors.But this has me curious in regard to my speaker crossovers(would I have the space for them?). I`ll have to do a bit of research to find out.It sounds like a worth while project.
Thanks,
Charles,
Grannyring,
Thanks for the additional information.I sent Israel Blume an email today and he replied the caps won`t fit the space available.He is`nt impressed with the Dueland caps(I realize it`s just his opinion).In my prior preamp(Quicksilver) I installed(by a tech) Sonicaps and some V-caps and the improvement was significant.
Best Regards,
Grannyring,
I got another email from Israel for clarification. The crossover only uses 'one' capaacitor and that`s for the tweeter and that`s it. So it`s a very minimal/simple first order design.So it may not be a case of him being unimpressed but that he feels it is`nt worth the effort for that 'single' tweeter capacitor.
Regards,
Grannyring,
I`ve never read a negative comment about Duelund caps(only high praise). Actually I`m pleasantly surprised at how simple and bare bones the crossover is(a single cap,hard wired and no circuit board). If there were room for the Duelund I`d give it a try just out of pure curiosity, but I won`t go to the extent of external crossovers.I suspect Israel feels that with such a minimalist design perhaps a single cap won`t matter much(just me speculating of course).

Grannyring I don`t doubt for a moment the improvement you`ve found with your speakers. My 8 watt Frankenstein drives this speaker so effortlessly and with such sucess I`ll leave well enough alone.
Regards,
Charles.
Grannyring,
I can understand your interest in other speakers even when you`re happy with what you have,there`re very good choices available(and you can`t own them all).In my case the Horning speakers and also the PHY driver Ocellia and Tonian Labs interest me. They `re all high efficiency,easy load and all have very simple crossovers.

I`ve own the Total Eclipse for 4 years and just love them.If a single capacitor and resistor swap can potentially improve an already very good speaker then why not give it a try? Worse case scenario, if I don`t like the change then it`s back to the original parts.My willingness to attempt this is increasing.The sound is already very open, transparent,emotionally involving and organic, if it gets better,wow!
Regards,
Grannyring,
I was able to get CAST capacitor dimensions from Duelund site via email(finally!).26mm x 163mm round shape.I thought they changed to a rectangle chassis last year. Are yours round or a rectangle? Seems the rectangle would be a better fit in my crossover if available.What type of adhesive do you use to hold them in place?
Thanks,
Grannyring,
As stated earlier I`ve changed caps in a preamp with good results.The cost of the Duelund would not deter me. Israel says the cap does`nt fit(he should know). Otherwise I`d be willing to give it a try to hear for myself.
Regards,
Fizzletop,
Thanks for your feedback it`s inspiring.Your speaker apparently uses different caps from the Total Eclipse.The TE is very natural and disappears with most of my recordings.The possibility that it could further improve is tempting. Perhaps from excellent to truly sublime(like the amp and linestage are).This will take more investigation.Thanks again for your insight.
Regards,
Grannyring,
Your comments are on the money. Since Israel confirmed there`s only one capacitor per speaker it seems to me that an improvement there should be quite obvious and effective. The speaker wire is the same ultra quality wire he uses for his cables and for wiring his amplifiers and preamps(6N copper,I won`t mess with that. My thought is to consider the Duelund caps(Cast or VSF and their best resistors). I have a friend who`s capable of doing the work and can tell me if it`a go or not.

Grannyring thanks for this thread, it really has me thinking.

fizzletop, do you get to the crossover via the bottom of the speaker?
Regards,
Fizzletop,
I think the larger and more exspensive Total Eclipse is a better speaker than the Super Eclipse(as it should be i.e. higher up in their speaker line). I heard the Vandersteen 5 extensively 2 weeks ago(in someone`s home system) but would much prefer the Total Eclipse.I`ve only heard the larger Vandersteen 7 briefly at both CES and RMAF so I really don`t have an opinion.I wish you the best sucess with your new speaker search.
Regards,
Just discovered tonight that the Total Eclipse speaker does`nt use a resistor at all! All I`ll have to do is replace the one capacitor and I`m done.
Regards,
The capacitor size is 5.6 mfd per Israel Blume. I`ll call the Parts Connection and see if Duelund has this size cap and if so how large.Israel suggested the
Mundorf Silver-Gold as a good alternative.The speaker does use a large inductor by the way,is this relevant?
Regards,
Grannyring,
Thanks for your comparision/impressions of the Mundorf and Duelund capacitors. The key word you mentioned is "natural", that is of the highest importance and is how I tried construct my current system based on that principle. I`m allergic to the"Hifi" sound and approach, the sound must be holistic and organic = realism.

If the Duelund Cast copper caps will fit I`ll buy them. If they don`t then perhaps the VSF version caps will fit the available crossover space.

Grannyring I love the current sound of my system and don`t want to lose that.Your enthusiasm and description of the Duelund Cast seems it will push me further in the direction I prefer, natural music reproduction.
Regards,
Despite 3 phone calls and an unanswered email I can`t get anyone at the Parts Connecxion to give me the dimensions of the Duelund CAST Cu capacitor 5.6 mfd. I do have a price(20% discount) and was able to get the size of the VSF Black Cu capacitor(it will fit the space) and price from the web site. what`s the difficulty in getting the CAST cap size is beyond me.
Regards,
Hi Brf,
You just remove the lower 10" woofer. There`s actually a fair amount of space at the crossover site.Certainly enough to place the Duelund VSF caps and possibly even the larger and round CAST copper caps also.

All these years and I did`nt know the crossosver was so very simple with minimal parts,single cap and an inductor. I know what you mean Bfr. If this speaker sounds this good with the Auricap(considered a good cap) then in theory(anyway) it should improve if the Duelund is as superior as many claim it is.Grannyring really got my attention on this one.
Regards,
Grannyring,
My friend and I determined today that the CAST version will fit. I`m likely going to use Duelund`s hook up silver foil(is foil ok?) wire with the silk cover. What gauge hook up wire did you use/suggest for your crossover and what type of solder? Finally are these caps directional?
Thanks,
Grannyring,
Due to the different site to accomadate the 'much larger' Duelund cap I`ll need an extended wire to connect the cap leads to the inductor. What type and diameter of solder is best for this project. I want to do things right the first time(rookie).See what your thread started? LOL.
Thanks,
Charles,
Well I placed my order for the Duelund CAST Cu capcitors today and should have them in 4 to 6 weeks. I`m quite curious to hear what they do to the sound of my 300b SET based system.Upgrading the one and only capacitor in the speaker 'should' in theory matter a lot. I`m rather optimistic. When I changed my 300b tube from the Shuguang Black Treasure(very good) to the japanese Takatsuki-TA the change was unexpectedly hugh(sublime now). If I can get even 1/3 of that level of improvement with the capacitor switch I`ll be very satisfied.
Regards,
Charles,
Grannyring,
Thanks for the thread and bringing the Duelund CAST cap to my attention.
Charles,