mixing tube and solid state amps


I currently am driving N802's with a CJ2500. Is it a good idea to bi-amp with a tube amp? Solid state for the bottom, tubes for the mid's and high's.
larryrosen

Showing 3 responses by jafox

Are you proposing a passive bi-amp or an active biamp? With an active biamp, it is typical for the low freq side of the active crossover to have a level control to match the two amplifiers' differences. It is highly unlikely you will find a tube amp and solid state that you like AND that also work well with your speakers AND have the same gain/input sensitivity. If you will simply use the speakers' crossover and remove shorting bars to drive the top and bottom ends with separate amps, I think your best bet would be to use the same amps.
John
Fatparrot, yes, I had an ARC amp that had input trim pots which I never used but I have to imagine that the quality here is not very good. I would really only want this on my low-frequency amp ... and ultimately it might be the high-frequency amp that needs to be attentuated.

Yes, when you actively biamp, the idea is to remove the speaker's crossover. But this implies an active crossover between the line stage and amp. The advantage of this approach is that you eliminate the poor quality inductors and capacitors that are typical in a speaker's crossover.

In an active crossover, no inductors are needed at all. Another benefit here is that there is often an increase in the speaker's efficiency because of the loss of signal caused by the speaker's crossover. But a problem here is that any poorly implemented active circuit between the line stage and amp can so easily result in the loss of the incredible harmonic richness and 3-dimensionality that some tube-based systems exhibit so well. I am looking to do this in the next month or so with the Space-Tech-Lab tube crossover with tube regulated supply.

Check it out: http://space-tech-lab.com/

If the idea is strictly to have the line stage drive two amps, each amp then driving a stage of the speaker's crossover, you are still biamping but using a passive crossover (the one in the speaker). This latter method is very popular in the UK where just about every speaker has the two sets of terminals (for high and low freqs) and a shorting bar to use only one amp. This is what Quincy above has described.

Hope this helps.

John
I would not at all be concerned with the speed of the tube amp "keeping up" with the solid state amp. This is silly! A number of us seek a tube amp because it creates a 3-dimensionality, a harmonic richness and and natural decay of notes that even the best of the solid state amps can not produce. For the most part, such tube amps do very well in all but the bottom 1 to 1 1/2 octaves. If the crossover is used to biamp with a subwoofer, say at 60hz or even 80hz or so, the situation will have more to do with level matching, i.e, not be so eager to turn up the sub's level beyond a natural level. If the crossover is more like the upper bass / lower mids, then the slopes/crossover points are far more critical than the "speed" of the amps. The tonality differences of the amps will be more pronounced. So the thing to do here is focus on getting a tube amp that really puts a smile on your face and then find a solid state amp to match the tonality.....not find a tube amp to match your solid state amp!
John