MD Brilliant Pebbles = Pet Rock for Audiophiles?

Serioulsy. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is up with this?
Please tell me, who among us has "splurged" for the girly rocks? Is our wretched condition in such a dismal state that suggestive marketing about some stupid shiny pebbles might actually sway us? This falls in the camp as the original rat shack tice digi clock with a happy sticker on it: bewilderment. Am I curious? Yes I am. About what? That grown men and women will place pet squirrely rocks in the listening room in a vein attempt to improve the sound...just imagine, did they use Machina Dynamica pet rock flubby dust during the mixing session? Oh i forgot it's just audiophiles that care more about the last 10 inches than any aerosmith fan. Give me a break. Once again this sheds light on the notion that there is an arse for every seat...
Dpac996, Try some "fruity pebbles" in a jar if price of admission is to steep... Then, if you don't like what they do for the sound of your system, have them for a snack,but first, check the time on your "tice clock" and make sure it doesn't spoil your dinner, or mommy might get upset with... (;)...
"Brilliant Pebbles is capable of dramatically lowering audio noise and distortion - perhaps especially in systems where great pains have been taken to ensure the highest possible performance"

OOO goodie, this should be easy to quantify, unless, oh there it is, it's one of those unmeasurable artifacts outside the dynamic range of standard lab grade equipment.

Perhaps we should add some pet rocks to our spectrum analyzers in the attempt to suck up enough gunk such that we improve the base performance therby allowing direct measurement of the so called "dramatically lowering audio noise and distortion" distortion.

C'mon you guys at MD are engineers... Where is the data sheet on your product line?
The right shampoo is EVERYTHING!
Wash your clothes with the wrong detergent, and your soundstage will collapse. Wear the right underwear and the highs are silky smooth. Have the right fertilizer in your lawn and your bass will be solid and tight.
Of course, all this only with the very finest of equipment.
The difference between briefs, boxershorts and a thong is MAJOR. Have the wrong refrigerator and you have no chance at a good stereo image....
The color of your automobile matters too!
The actual mileage on these tweeks will vary.
The only sure thing is this joker is laughing all the way to the bank.

PT Barnum was right. There's a sucker born every minute.
Right on Audiofeil....well put!
I did not have fruity pebbles cereal, but I did have organic oat bran, new in the box. I put this next to my new E.T. figure remote control holder and i was blown away at how organic and smooth but with out of the world resolution. Because the mids were so truly crunchy, I got too hungry. The sonic image actually crumbled with every bite.

Tonight I will attempt to cyro-treat the entire listening room, down to the last crumb in my chair. After that it's a trip to the pylons on the transformer on the pole outside. There I will pour cyro treated gold paint flakes. I think it's safe to stop there.

The more people talk about the elephant in the room, the larger the elephant appears.
PT Barnum employed a lot of elephants
Are you suggesting that we should trunk-ate this discussion?
Let he is without sin cast the first (brilliant) pebble.

Why 10 grand on networked speaker cables (better point the arrows in the right direction) or how a five grand power cable "improves current flow", why a 29 cent brass cone selling for a hundred bucks magically "drains away" vibrations, why wooden disks (not just ANY wood, but the exotic rain forest kind) focus speaker refractions, how do rings on tubes dampen microphonics, why does painting the edges of your CD's green improve playback, do you still freeze your CD's before playing, etc.?

There are those and many other examples of tweaks and products which cannot be explained by a rational basis in classical physics, electronics, material science, quantum physics, chemisty or engineering - yet the I-Can't-Explain-It-But-I-know-What-I-Hear refrain has been sounded many a times.

So, just what makes these ridiculous? Hell, there was even a post debating sonic differences of wall outlet cover material! So why do these so-called pebbles earn derision? I have had many things in my systems over the years that can't be explained but worked. To me. And some that didn't do a damn thing, yet others swore by. There are no absolutes in this hobby.
The response to Gs5556 is taht tweaks taht cost fifty cents are easy and no problem to see if they do something. The problem is the folks who take that fifty cent tweek and wrap it in a package that they sell for $200. dollars.
It is true they have a legal right to try and sell it, but not much on morals.
Very true Elizabeth, but isn't bearing false witness against your neighbor immoral as well?
I don't know why there is such skepticism about this product. I makes clear sense to me. I suspect people don't understand how the proper implementaion of this product could effect a listener's perception of sound quality. One has to pour these pebbles into ones ears, then after one has established that they do indeed have rocks in their heads, it's easy to understand how one could find this product usefull, perhaps even necessary.
>>one has established that they do indeed have rocks in their heads<<

Give the guy credit. He's identified his target market and focused on it. Actually a very good strategy.
Sorry Welfed, I only drink newborn-baby-blood at the full moon. Bearing false witness is one I do not partake of. Unlike some, who actually have connections to these products, and pretend to be ordinary posters.

Give the guy credit. He's identified his target market and focused on it. Actually a very good strategy.
Audiofeil (Threads | Answers)
Can't argue with that.
"He's identified his target market and focused on it." Not particularly hard to do. Just listen for the rattling as they sway and bob to the music.
"Give the guy credit. He's identified his target market..."

Yep, and guess where most of them shop!
why such an uproar over a product which cost around $200 when there are many overpriced components selling at 5 and 6 figures ?
Overpriced or not those components actually do something.
Mr T, with your backgound in psychology I think you should know the answer to your question. A lot of folks, I think, take it personally the someone would assume that they belonged to a group of folks so reknowned for poor judgment that they would, as a group, be an easy target for someone wanting to make a quick buck. They just want to point out that they arn't that stupid. Am I wrong?
Mrtennis, The so called "uproar" that you speak of could only be a legitimate response to a product that is, in most opinions, here, to be smoke and mirrors at best. $200 could well be spent on product that warrants a return on are audio investment, not some type of variation of sorts. As always, buyers beware....
i think there is a misplaced emphasis upon products which are relatively inexpensive, even if their alleged benefits are in question.

i think there is a more important issue, namely the sonic benefits of some components whose retail prices exceed $10,000.

would you rather buy a component, then sell it and take a 4 figure loss, or buy a $200 accessory and never use it ??

lets worry about the big bucks and be so concerned about the small stuff. i don't think it justifies all of the preceding posts. save your righteous indignation for the important things.
lets worry about the big bucks and be so concerned about the small stuff. i don't think it justifies all of the preceding posts. save your righteous indignation for the important things.
Mrtennis (Threads | Answers)
A statement that highlights the perfect placement of a questionable product in a price range that can be forgiven by some if the product is just plain silly.

Brilliant marketing. Brilliant.
Actually Tvad, what would be brilliant marketing would be if the were sold for $19.95! Now how could you resist that! :-)
I disagree, Newbee. Their magic value is wrapped in their $200 price tag and the carefully constructed mythology that explains their purpose and efficacy. At $19.95 they'd be completely ignored. We're audiophiles, after all.

Kind of like paying $4.00 for a bottle of $.01 water. It's all about the packaging and marketing. Inexpensive bottled water gets ignored (it has to be impure, right?), while the expensive stuff flies off the shelves.
Tvad, Newbee, righteously on!
Don't kid yourself Elizabeth, I see you doing it all the time.
Over priced or not,just what do they do?Besides a fluffy amount of money,where is P.T. Barnum when you need him.
Yeah.. I guess you got me there... i drink hot newborn baby blood when-ever and where-ever I can! I sneak up and pretend to cuddle and coo at the baby but really I am biting them on the neck, drinking blood! Usually I have to hypnotize the hysterical mommy.. but it is worth every drop!
And curious how some folks take offence? They attack 'below the belt' because they cannot defend what they do straight up and honest. So they insult other who do not agree with them. I do not need to insult anyone special.. I do my best to be insulting to EVERYONE, all the time.
Some folks do not find me insulting or rude. They think I am just being honest and stating what I believe.. But they do not have an axe to grind about loosing sales due to others saying the products they support (and profit from one way or another) are bogus, overpriced, hype laden ephemera, and that these crappy products only harm the high end as a whole.
It is curious how some folks take offence.
How`s that coffee table, Wellfed?
Itching to move into our family room I presume, Porziob?

Of course, as the object of your inordinate affection, I think he'd rather be with you.
I have a question for all of you. If you have the pebbles sitting on top of an amplifier and remove it and all of a sudden the sound improves, would you call that getting your rocks off?
It's not the scorn ridicule or loud protestations I mind so much, it's the bad jokes. :-)

For those interested, I have 100% positive feedback on Audiogon over the last 4 years, nearly 200 transactions. many of which are for Brilliant Pebbles. Not too bad a track record, eh?

Geoff Kait, Machina Dynamica
"It's not the scorn ridicule or loud protestations I mind so much, it's the bad jokes.:-)"
Look who's calling the kettle black!
Lighten up, you can't really be surprised, can you?
Maybe mine was bad, but, I thought Albert's was good.
I have not experimented with any of Geoff's products and therefore have no opinion. I think silly jokes are preferable to criticism, keeps the thread alive too.

Anyway, shouldn't we all follow that old, well worn advice and "Look at the Brilliant side" ?

Sorry Geoff, I couldn't help myself. This pun help repair the damage?
haven't seen you (or Red) arund much lately. Good to see you back and I at least have missed Albert's delightlyfully twisted sense of humor. no opinion on the rocks.
Anybody try M&M's? If they don't improve the sound one could always serve them to friends who stop by.
Happy Listening!
I don't often contribute to these threads, but thought it may be helpful in this instance since I've used some of Jeff's products. In my opinion and only in my system, I've gotten better sound from use of the Intelligent Chip with my EMM Labs digital front end. I didn't care for the Magic Clock and gave it to a friend who likes it in his stereo. I've painstakingly tried various sizes of Brilliant Pebbles throughout my listening room, which was built by ARS. While noticing some improvements in midrange naturalness and presence, I always got muddier bass and less bass dynamics on a wide variety of music. Believe it or not, the Brilliant Pebbles change the sound in ways that even my wife notices. (She's a music lover, not an audiophile). I now use one large bottle of Brilliant Pebbles on top of the transformer outside our house which provides all electrical power to the home. This provides the midrange improvement noted above without any negative effect on the bass. Using additional Brilliant Pebbles on top of the transformer by my garage which feeds dedicated lines to the stereo room screws up the bass.

Anyway, this is a serious response to the original "pet rock" question. If I hadn't tried these Machina Dynamica products in my system and was told by someone else about their design, I'd be very skeptical. But I was also quite wary about Shatki Hallographs until I heard them in my system and bought two pairs. I've found it best to keep an open mind in hi-fi.
Albert, since yesterday I decided to put my Brilliant Pebbles on my amp and line stage. They had previously been in the corners of my room and largely forgotten. Not only was I shocked at the improvement, but I found that where they were positioned mattered greatly.

To use your words, I guess I got my rocks on.
Tbg, Just on the off chance that you are serious I would suggest that you are damping some vibrations. If that is the case one could use rolls of pennies or loose pennies in a cloth bag and if it didn't work for them it wouldn't have cost them a cent. I use pennies in damped ceramics as weights. Talk about being cheap! :-)

I like the M&M idea, but I'd be afraid if I used them on my amp they would melt before break-in (or I'd eat them). Would you think that the peanut M&M's would be better? I like them more than plain. Come to think about it I really like chocolate covered almonds...hum, got to go, time to eat!
It's a $200 dollar jar of rocks. What more needs to be said.
I think i'll mine and market some red clay (from my backyard) and claim amazing improvements at outrageous fees in order to attract those that like to buy things simply because of high price, and bizarre "extravagance".

A glass jar of rocks selling for $200 remains, on principle, one of the biggest pile of dung heaps in all of audio. The "designer" maintains he has happy customers. This has to be *the* quintessential example of audio lemming effect--period. It is a crock of excrement and it does stinketh.

Have fun with your rocks, on or off, in or out.

Since Halloweeen is around the corner having an extra jar of M&M's seems reasonable. I'll make sure to have extra red ones. The mass density of red dye #40 makes all the difference.

Have fun audio folk!
Dpac996 and Newbee, I will only say that I had had the Acapella Big Block on top of the amp having found it the best of the myriad of dampening devices I had tried. I knew I would gain some mockery with such a post, but some may benefit from my sharing my experience.

I had heard a demonstration of the Brilliant Pebbles at CES along with the Intelligent Chip. I bought the IC on the spot after the demonstration as they were quite convincing. Later I bought a used pair of the large Brilliant Pebbles. As I said, again I got a very small improvement when used in the corners of my room and forgot about them.

I don't have any real idea why they work, especially in this application more than in the corners. It may be the resonant frequencies that they dampen just being those needed where they were placed on the amp and line stage, but they are staying where they are.

Wipe the smirk off your faces guys; it is no more becoming on you than it is on W. It merely suggests that you too are a pole turtle.
Tbg, I'm not sensitive to names (calling) but its fun to know what they mean. What is a 'pole turtle'. An A-Hole I understand, and can appreciate why some one would call me one, but a "pole turtle". :-)
agree with Dpac996. The point is not that the device may or may-not "do" something. The poiont is that a jar of rocks is just a jar of rocks. The $200. for a one dollar device is a rip-off. Make your own!!! you CAN do it. They have no patent for a good reason. Folks hve been putting things on equipment for many many years... all sorts of things that do not cost hundreds of dollars for 'special' guru blessed rocks.
Elizabeth, humor me. I don't have the time to spend selecting the right type of rocks or their size and variation. I don't know whether or not they are coated with something either. Your DIY approach might cost me several thousands of dollars.

I grant that people have put many things on top of their amps over time including cats. I too have experimented with a multitude of them as I have mentioned. I have been doing this for 45 years! Why do you so begrudge someone who has invested the time to find a combination that works so return on his investment. Were I to have done so, I might be inclined also to seek to get a return.

Newbee, a pole turtle is where you find a turtle on the top of a pole. You know immediately that he wasn't responsible for getting there, that he hasn't a clue what to do, and that the only solution is to get him out of the unfortunate position in which he has found himself. I guess it is a Texas thing.
Humor me: explain just HOW my approach might cost you THOUSANDS of dollars?
(You put a jar of 27,000 lb boulders on your $100,000. speakers and the speakers disintegrate?...Is that it? or is it the uncoated 70lb concrete patio slabs you use to isolate the bases of those $100,000. speakers and you drag the speakers up onto the slabs because you cannot actually lift them, and damage the bottm so severely you have to have them refinished... is THAT it?)
Explain to me a real scenario.
By the way, feel free to waste your cash on crazy stuff. I just want to warn fools not to waste money on foolish stuff.
I think I explained that in my post. Hint: it has to do with my time in experimenting to find what works. My time, at least, is worth something. Maybe I would find something as good or maybe even better.

I just wanted to post so that people would not be misinformed by those who haven't a clue about all that is involved in audio reproduction who apparently think "fools" (your word) have to be saved from themselves.
Even fools know that audio reproduction has nothing to do with jars of rocks, Timex clocks with orange stickers on them, or duplex outlet covers.

Once again, kudos to Machina Dynamica for outstanding marketing that keeps this nonsense in discussion threads, and therefore in the buyer's view. Kudos also for pinpointing a target demographic, and making a nice profit on the products. This is America, after all.

People bought Pet Rocks in droves.