McIntosh MC 275 Mark VI

I own a McIntosh C-2300 Preamplifier, which is an all tube design and Harbeth SHL5 speakers

1. Has anyone paired this with a Mcintosh MC 275 Mark V or VI amplifier, and what are your impressions?
2. Suggestions or other stereo tube power amplifiers to pair with the McIntosh C-2300. Looking for some actual experience that someone may have had.  Prima Luna, ZOTL, Rogue, VTL, BAT?
I've owned both MC275 MKV and Harbeth SHL5's, although not together.  

The MC275 MKV was one of my top 5 favorite amps.   Highly recommended.  

I think pairing the Harbeth's with the MKV and C-2300 would be a very nice combo.   More than enough power. 

The MC275MK VI is said to have a different sound and they seem to get turned over quite a bit, so I'd stay away from the MKVI. 
I heard the SLH5+ speakers sound very good with a Conrad Johnson tube amp (I think it was a Classic 62 amp), a Synthesis A100 (integrated tube amp) and what I think was a rebuilt Western 124 amp.  The speaker struck me as being a bit on the finicky side--it had to be set up just right and with the right complement of gear--as compared to other more easy going models in the Harbeth lineup.  When set up right, it sounds very good.  In other words, I think you can only make a choice by a direct audition, preferably involving a dealer who will let you take the amp home.

My only experience with the current MC275 was not a good one.  In the system I heard it in, it sounded lifeless and a touch mushy--sort of a caricature of what some people think is the "tube sound."  I suppose it could be improved with different tubes, but, it was something that was turned in on trade and was soon to be sold on Audiogon, so nothing was done to optimize the sound; still, I am reasonably certain it was not the sound I like.
I too, was an owner of the Mark VI and I liked it for about a month.  One day I turned it on and a tube blew out.  It was perhaps the third or fourth time I had used it - I still had the box next to my cabinet. 

I called McIntosh directly and related the situation and they simply stated that they don’t manufacture tubes.  I replied that the tubes were all screened “McIntosh” so...

Now I realize that tubes can blow, but I’d never before had this occur on any other tube amp.  I bought it new from Stereo Exchange in NYC. 
Dave, the owner intervened between us and furnished me with a replacement tube.  I sold the amp a month later. 

I liked the amp itself, it didn’t have that textbook McIntosh sound which to me was a good thing.  And it certainly was pretty as hell. I see they now have a killer hybrid integrated for $3500 - 100 watts per channel into 8 ohms and, I think, 140 into 4 ohms.  Might make me forgive them their cavalier customer support...
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d2girls, this is a tube preamp, but it does use some solid state circuitry. Google is your friend. Tube PreamplifierHVT 9/2008 and posted in Hi-Fi, Reviews by Ken Kessler

Like too few others, McIntosh isn’t afraid to keep a model in its line-up for more than a season or two. I’ve been using the C2200 pre-amplifier ever since it was launched some six years ago – the longest I’ve ever stuck with a single pre-amp.

Why the loyalty? Simple: in addition to sounding as good as a reference pre-amp should, it’s a joy to use – especially if you have to accommodate a lot of sources, or if you’re always playing around with your system. In my case, as a reviewer, a pre-amp isn’t left alone for long. The C2200 can handle everything except moving-coil cartridges, it offers enough user adjustments to optimise the performance of all sources, and – best of all – it has plenty of single-ended AND balanced inputs and outputs.

But six years is a long time in the world of audio. The new C2300 Vacuum Tube Preamplifier adds a phono section derived from the dearer preamps, and refinements throughout, all of which adhere to a distinct evolutionary path from its predecessor. Therefore, it’s possible for a C2200 user to move over to the C2300 without even opening the owner’s manual.

That, though, would be a mistake because the C2300 is laden with features, and it strikes me as a C2200 that’s been more than merely tweaked and hot-rodded. Least important in terms of function but most certainly a major selling point is the positioning of the six valves in a window across the top, where they’re back-lit with a green glow. This is one pre-amp you will not want to have obscured by the shelf above it.

But valve location aside, this is classic McIntosh all the way. The tubes on top simply denote that it’s classic Mac for the 21st Century. Placed alongside the C2200, you’ll notice slightly different positioning for the meters, and fewer controls (two fewer knobs and one less press-button), the C2300’s rotaries doubling up some of the functions.

As the company describes it, the C2300 “combines a suite of potent engineering enhancements with smart, user-programmable features to deliver a truly extraordinary audio preamplifier. Each input may have the bass, treble, and mono/stereo mode adjusted and stored in memory. When individual inputs are selected, these settings will engage as preset by the listener. All adjustments may be made either from the front panel or remote control.”

That encapsulates its primary concern for user-fine-tuning, the likes of which were the norm back in the 1950s and 1960s, but which we have been denied since the onset of minimalism back in the 1970s. The most noteworthy difference, however, between a cutting-edge pre-amp of, say, 1960, with selectable phono EQ curves, tape sensitivities and the like is the ease of use and precision available to us today. Microprocessors aren’t always evil in an audio context, and neither are remote controls.

If reassurance is needed, for those who are anal beyond redemption, everything can be by-passed with utter totality, so there’s no reason beyond masochism for suggesting that their inclusion is – automatically – a bad thing. Indeed, once you’ve played around with the possibilities, you’ll find it difficult to give up the flexibility. Hell, you can even make old cassettes sound good.

That array of 12AX7a vacuum tubes across the top is employed in pairs for three primary sections in the C2300. They include a dedicated pair for the moving-magnet phono section, another dedicated to moving-coil and a third for the high-level preamp section. While the m-m stage in the C2200 was good, it didn’t surpass a handful of outboard phono stages I have access to, including the Audio Research PH5 and the AudioValve Sunilda, so I rarely used it.

By adding a moving-coil stage and making both phono stages fully-adjustable “on the fly,” the LP playback capabilities of the C2300 are of another order entirely. And to be able to change impedance or loading settings while the record is playing? That’s the answer to an audiophile’s prayers. When you’re shopping, and comparing prices, just bear in mind that – unlike too many pre-amps these days – you don’t have to make allowances in your budget for a separate phono amp.

As with the C2200, the C2300 is feature-rich in other areas. There’s a top-grade headphone amplifier with a ¼” headphone jack instead of the C2200’s mini-jack (which was an unnecessary nod to the iPod generation, the sort of people who don’t exactly line up to buy valve pre-amps), eight unbalanced programmable sources of which four can act as balanced inputs, the facility to assign any of 12 names to the sources, and a front panel display that can be customized to indicate only those available sources. Access to all of these is via the Setup Mode pushbutton, which allows the changing of the default settings for Inputs, Levels, Special Functions and the Display parameters.

McIntosh employs digitally-controlled “silent electromagnetic switching” for signal routing. Their precision switch contacts are isolated from environmental contamination (does anyone still smoke?) inside inert gas-filled glass tubes, which means that the C2300 controls should function as new for years to come. This technology combines quietness and low distortion with utter reliability.

For the most-used function of all, the volume control, McIntosh has fitted their VRV (variable rate volume) digitally-controlled output attenuator which offers more than enough precision for most of us: 214 steps of 0.5dB each, with accuracy stated as within 0.1dB. A nice touch is the volume vs. rotation rate varying as the preamplifier’s gain varies.

Continuing in the modern Mac tradition, the C2300 uses the company’s in-house R-Core Power Transformers, it comes with a full-function IR remote control and provides “Pass-Thru Integration” for use in complex custom installations. In terms of flexibility, then, there’s nothing I can think of that McIntosh hasn’t addressed for optimising two-channel music playback, and it will sit side-by side in a more grandiose installation for multi-channel and video playback.

My reference system is two-channel-only, so the C2300 was simply inserted into a set-up that had been optimised around the C2200. The rest of the system included the McIntosh MC2102 valve power amplifier, Sonus faber Cremona Auditor Elipsa speakers and Yter cables. Sources included the Marantz CD12/DA12 and Musical Fidelity KW25 CD players, and the SME 30 turntable with Series V arm and Transfiguration Orpheus moving-coil and Ortofon 2M Blue moving-magnet cartridges. I also used the Audio Research PH5 phono stage for comparison.

It soon emerged that even my beloved PH5 had its limitations. The MC phono section in the C2300 provides plenty of gain – 60dB at 1000Hz – and the user-adjustable impedance settings cover a range from 25 ohms to 1000 ohms in six steps, or two more than the ARC. Its design consists of special ultra-low-noise circuitry a and a double filtered power supply design dedicated to the m-c section, with two of the aforementioned 12AX7A tubes in the second compensation amplifier stage. McIntosh favours high open loop gain, with negative feedback is used around the phono amplifier to further reduce noise and distortion. It’s deliciously quiet, too, so the dynamic range is exceptional. Additionally, the output is buffered by a unity gain amplifier for low output impedance. For the moving-magnet input, a separate pair of 12AX7A tubes has been employed. The user can adjust load capacitance from 50pF to 750pF in 50pF steps.

I had no trouble matching the Transfiguration and the Ortofon precisely to their optimum settings, and used them for primary listening during the test period. However, I also dabbled with some other cartridges, including Londons, Koetsus, a mono Lyra and my cherished Shure V15 V, and the McIntosh emerged the perfect host. It’s no accident that this gem was released the same year that McIntosh launched its first-ever turntable.

For vinyl lovers, then, the C2300 is a showcase product, wide open, quiet and detailed. The attack on percussion transients, for example, were fast, precise and crisp, with both mono and stereo programme material. I used a mint copy of Louis Prima’s The Wildest!, which possesses both sharp drumming and gloriously punchy brass. The horns were clean and suitably metallic, the sax unmistakably rich and throaty.

And hovering above them, were vocals as disparate as one could imagine: Keely Smith vs Louis himself, crystal clarity vs that Italian rasp. The C2300 had no trouble preserving the integrity of every sound, while the detail and soundstage were useful in demonstrating the difference between a good budget m-m cartridge and an expensive, truly high-end m-c. The textures differed enough in quality and authenticity to justify the extra layout. As for the McIntosh, it handled both types of cartridge with equanimity, allowing them to deliver their best.

Consistent regardless of source – and that includes the two CD players – the McIntosh produces a slightly wider soundstage than the C2200, though stage depth and image height were identical. Better separation? Perhaps. Whatever the cause, you could measure it physically, because the sounds clearly emanated beyond the edges of the speakers with both preamps, yet the C2300 offered almost an extra half-meter width overall.

With live recordings from Bob Dylan, the Allman Brothers and Neil Diamond (that old chestnut, Hot August Night on MoFi), this massive soundstage played a key role in ensuring the realism of the experience. While it’s certainly true that the sound can be no larger than the room in which it’s played back, the illusion – and hi-fi is, in must be said, a deft illusion – certainly allows us to distinguish between cramped and open reproduction. The McIntosh delivers air and space, with accurate proportions and, above all, correct scale.

Even with mono recordings, there was a greater sense of body, despite the lack of left-right differentiation. It allows the listener to hear layers, even in mono. But 99 percent of what people play nowadays employs two or more channels, so the remarks about mono are more of an aside for those of you with libraries full of vintage recordings.

On the tonal front, the C2300 favours detail and accuracy over tube-y warmth, but there’s no mistaking that this magnificent machine is all-valve. However clean and authoritative the sound, however silent the background, it possesses precisely the richness and ‘humanity’ that many feel is lacking in the majority of solid-state devices. With the vocals of Julie London, husky and almost indecently sexy, the McIntosh serves as a conduit that robs that voice of none of its characteristic tonal clues.

So near-to-perfect a singer was she that there’s of an less of easily-identifiable character to London’s sound than, say, Peggy Lee’s, but the openness and detail retrieval of the C2300 ensure that you wouldn’t mistake her for another. This applies, too, to a raft of sublime female country singers who seem determined to sound like each other; the C2300 exposes every last trace of individuality, such that – even if you’ve never heard the Judds, Crystal Gayle and a few hundred other Nashville queens – they appear as different as two consecutive vintages of the same wine would to a connoisseur.

Passing on my opinion of the C2300 requires a certain clarification: I’m away that my role as a reviewer prejudices me toward components that are flexible and easy to use. Equally, I realise that normal people don’t change cartridges or cables every few days, and that they do not place as high a value on such matters as would a retailer who has to set up different demos … or a journalist who needs to review a couple of components every month.

Regardless of whether you approach this as a regular hi-fi user, who may leave it in place for many months, or an inveterate tweaker who ‘plays’ with it all the time, the plethora of facilities must not distract us from the most important aspect, which is its sound quality.

In terms of unadulterated performance, using both analogue and digital sources, the C2300 is one of the best four or five pre-amps I’ve used. No, I haven’t had hands-on experience of McIntosh’s C1000 or 2K, and Krell’s Evolution is a mighty thing to behold. But I would certainly put this on my short list if I were shopping for a new pre-amp. And given its price, I would probably buy it just because of the current era of austerity. The C2300 is, simply, superb.

Enjoy ! MrD.

I read two nice reviews about the MC 275 Mark VI in Stereophile and The Absolute Sound and was considering buying the amplifier to mate with the C-2300, but looks like there are some naysayers here.  Thanks for your input, I will wait to hear a few more opinions...Just wanted to make sure that I acknowledged what you wrote to help me out.
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Guys, this discussion thread was focused on amp suggestions for McIntosh C2300 and Harbeth Speakers, can we be focused on that please?  Thanks.

It would help to know what you have already heard with your set of gear, what you liked or didn't like about the sound, whether you felt you needed more power, etc.  It is hard to make recommendations without knowing what general direction you want to take.  Any kind of context would help, such as "I heard it with XYZ amp and I thought it sounded too lean and hard for my taste." 

Also, it would be helpful to have a general price range in mind and whether you would consider used gear.  Tube gear is pretty durable and easily refurbished, so, willingness to consider used gear would open up a lot of possibilities. 

I am guessing, based on the list of candidates you provided, that certain brands would be outside of the price range you are looking at, but, used gear from these brands might be in the running (VAC, for example, comes to mind, Jadis might be pricey even used). 

Two more suggestions.  The 30 watt Atma-Spere M 30 should be considered.  While I personally find it a touch "lean" in overall balance, there is something utterly magical about the liveliness and vivid quality of output transformerless amps.  The larger M 60, perhaps used, might be in the running.  These share a similar sound to the Berning ZOTL amps, but, the Bernings I heard were quite pricey.  I have not heard the ZOTL amps that are being made by another company under license from Berrning.

Good point.  I have the McIntosh C2300 connected to a Macintosh MC-152 and they speakers are Harbeth SHL5.  While I enjoy the sound, very neutral, I never quiet get excited as much, and hence the thought of buying a MC 275. 
@drghosh Did you buy the MC275 ? I am thinking of the amp but I am confused between McIntosh Labs MC275 VI vs ZOTL 40 REFERENCE from Linear Tube Audio.  

@audiofile10, I never purchased the MC275, although I might at some point, need to demo it first.  I sold both the C2300 and MC-152, not a big fan of Mac preamps.  I have also owned the C220 before.  

I think the MC-152 is a good amplifier, maybe under-rated compared to its bigger bros.  

I have not heard the ZOTL 40, can't help you there, check your speakers sensitivity and look a bit in youtube and elsewhere if someone is using ZOTL40/and your speaker and what impressions they have.
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MC275 Mk6 vs MC152

I'm in the process of auditioning a MC275 mk6 against my MC152.  Preamp is a C2600.  I googled the heck out of this hoping for some helpful info but i just couldn't find i bought both.  Not at the same time.

Using both Rega P6 with Hana SL, and Tidal through bluesound node 2i as sources.  Speakers are ML Electrostatics with passive 8 inch driver.  

I purchased the MC275 mk6 wanting an all tube core to my system, instead of the hybrid.  I bought the MC152 about 7 months ago and have really enjoyed it.  I'm really on the fence after about a week of listening.