Manley Chinook Owners Tube Rolling


Just bought a Chinook M2 SE  From Upscale Has anyone tried other tubes besides the 6922 Tungstran i think that Kevin picked out. Would it even make a difference?
Thanks, Mike
fruitloopsr
Yes, it will make a difference.
Knock yourself out
I'd start with the Telefunken ECC88.
Do you have tube linestage as well?  I ask because I tried tube rolling in my Herron VTPH2A with poor results - ended up going back to the ones Keith provided as they clearly sounded the best.  However I did roll the two 6922's in my linestage, replacing them with early 70s NOS 7308 Mullards sourced from Brent Jessee and it made huge upside difference.
You just bought it.

Listen to your records and enjoy them for at least a month. Asking about changing an already good setup, is a not a good sign.
I tried both versions of the Chinook. It's a great unit either way. Tube rolling is subjective, it can be very subtle,or not noticeable at all depending on your own ears/system.
You just purchased it.

Spend time listening to it, and enjoy it.I've tried both the stock version and the SE. Either way, its a nice unit.

Subjectively, tube rolling can change the sound. Depending your own hearing, it can be subtle or you may not even hear it as an improvement. Power cord may also change presentation.
Had Tube pre Tryin ss now  I wont be changing for a while Just wonderin
if your ears heard big changes I was reading you only need to try 2 and not all 4.Hot Topic:  Anyone change fuses in it
I have to wait for it to break in. On average how many Hrs?
Yeah I wont be using stock cord  Any tips on cord
the best sound I have had from the chinook, was with bugle boys from Holland. quite the musical tube.

the other HUGE improvement you can do with the chinook is replace those loading resistors on the rear PCB. From the factory they are metal film.
Install some Vishay bulk foils there and the noise floor will drop, you will get more micro detail, and imaging will improve.
Thanks I read about those resistors Where can i get them They are easy to replace i hear
M.
Partsconnexion
I got mine here. Huge upgrade.
yes parts connexion or percy audio both sell them.

yes, bugle boy amperex tubes.
Keep in mind that only one of the tubes per channel in the Chinook (6922, I think)  is actually being used for gain and is therefore likely to have an affect on sound quality. The other tubes in each channel are used as part of fancy Cathode follower output stages. Cathode followers add no gain, and usually have little to no effect on sound quality, so long as they are in good working condition. Also, I would agree with others who suggest that you listen to your unit extensively before thinking about tube rolling.
Thanks All,  Will Listen first:)
Any Advice on power cords I never use stock
M.
This power cord will knock your socks off for little money:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/253018874722
It's great for detail, dynamics and blackness.
If you prefer a little warmth, there is this one.


Cords are only a little more overrated than tube rolling. Which is overrated.
Sorry Lew, you are wrong on this one. Or, you're right. Maybe you've not experienced the improvements wrought from alternative tubes. Or maybe it's no big deal to you. Or your gear is so incredible that mere changes in tubes yield no gain. But from my experience, it is night and day.
Hey noromance have you tried these  They look like power cords for no $
Heck maybe try 1 of each Never he
M.ard of them
Tubes of the same type made by different manufacturers do sound different to me. But in my experience differences don’t hold up over time. Then too, same tubes from same maker can sound different from one another; there’s a sample to sample difference. There is no substitute for understanding how the circuit works in the first place. But I admit there are some tubes and makers  I really dislike. In my Steelhead I use Siemens CCa for that one gain section. 
The is a certain amount of variability in tubes made by any manufacturer.
Buying untested NOS tubes is a crap shoot. The most important and noticeable characteristic is noise. The best tubes have to be selected out by testing each individual tube. The only company I know of that does this is RAM Labs here   http://www.tubeaudiostore.com/emission-labs.html
I use the Super Low Noise 6922's in my ARC phono amp and they are way quieter than the stock tubes and I mean Way Quieter. They are also super expensive @ $90. But you can choose Low Noise or Standard tubes. In a phono amp I think SLN tubes are a must. This is a difference you absolutely will hear. They have to test 100 tubes to get one SLN tube.

Mike
@fruitloopsr Yes, I use them. I only recommend stuff I've heard and/or used.  Rhodium on phono preamp and gold on subs. OFC copper and well made. A big improvement over stock. I keep meaning to add them to my monoblocks but they are hard wired. A rainy day project.
Hey Guys, Which 1 tube is in the signal path so i know for future reference and that would be the only one to try?
Thanks, Mike
Apparently the Chinook uses two 6922s per channel. If that’s not correct, stop reading this, because I don’t want to mislead you. If it is correct then you would mess around with the tubes closest to the centerline of the chassis. That’s if it’s constructed like my Steelheadwhich seems a reasonable bet. OR ask Manley which of the two tubes in each channel is part of the gain circuit. They’re cool.

As to SLN tubes, who could argue against the idea? Problem is that the SLN characteristic is transitory. And there’s no telling how long it will be before any given tube will go noisy. Also, in the particular case of the Chinook the single gain tube is part of a hybrid cascode where the bottom element is a FET. In such a topology the noise characteristic of the tube section is less crucial to output noise,partly because the tube per se does less work on gain. Not that it still isn’t a good idea to use a low noise tube.