Maggies...Measured Amp Power Requirements


Just how many watts does it really take to drive Maggies? Two things made me investigate this…first: on a visit to the cellar (my system’s boiler room) I noticed that the clip leds on my 600 watt CarverPro ZR1600 amps were flashing when I played the system very loud…second: I wondered if using a higher subwoofer crossover frequency would make it possible to try a tube amp for the Maggies. Some people say a good 100 – 150 watt tube amp can sound good. My Maggies are MG1.6.

With the SW crossover frequency set to 45 Hz, and the maximum measured SPL at 96 dB, I measured up to 38 vrms across the speaker terminals. This represents 361 watts, rms.

With 38 vrms measured, the peak voltage would be at least 1.5*38 which is 57 volts.
This voltage would suggest a power amp capable of 812 watts peak (briefly). So the clipping led was telling the truth.

Moving the subwoofer crossover frequency up to 100 Hz brought the maximum rms voltage down to 26 vrms. This represents 169 watts. The corresponding peak voltage would be 39 volts, and the peak power requirement would be 380 watts.

I conclude that people who use tube amps with Maggies do not play them loudly. Another factor to consider is clipping recovery characteristics of the amp. Tube amps do naturally recover better than solid state amps, so a little clipping may not be the end of the world.

I also conclude that I can forget about trying tube amps with my Maggies. Shucks. Now what will I do with all that money?
eldartford

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I have the 2.5Rs now. They have that midrange dip at c. 1khz. I should measure then with test tones at 70dB SPL referenced to 1khz or lower(rather than 80dB SPLat 1khz)and see if the midrange flattens out. (a la fletcher/munson) With the midrange dip, my speakers might work out to have a built-in "loudness" button, LOL.

Aaron
Dolfan, I would think your statement(s) might be right. I listen to my maggies between 62-78dB SPL. And maggies DO SUBTRACT low level detail at modest sound pressure levels. (less than 80dBSPL, or is it more like 85dB SPL?) In another thread Tim (tireguy) reports that he listens at about 87. He had mentioned a suggested value of 700W of tube. Give the 9 dB difference (assuming similar listening room size and listening difference [I can only guess that his room is likely bigger than mine], and assuming maggie SPL output is linear with respect to power input [i.e., no thermal compression, etc], then P=2^(dB/3), P=2^(9/3), P=8:1. So one might expect that I would need 8 times less power that he cites. 700/8=90wpc to one sig fig. Which is that power amp I'm using (90wpc with kt88 tubes, a little more than 100wpc or so with my kt90 tubes). So the SPL differences might explain why I am satisfied. Though it's likely psychoacoustical, since I don't like the sound of sand amps in my budget range, and this was the biggest tube amp I could afford at the time.

Although, I do agree that maggies sound best (at least my stock ones, with the poor quality passive parts) at >80dB SPL. But the music sounds louder than life and not as natural (to me) at those levels. It sound great at those levels, just not natural. But I do hear I'm missing some detail and magic at the lower levels! Some day I will be able to budget those mods. I probably need to address the room more as well.

Great thread eldartford. and Tim, I guess I need to borrow a world class +700wpc amp! Or whatever callibre of amp needed to surpass my 90wpc tube amps!

Aaron