Haven't heard this piece, but have listened to many other Luxmans, and for whatever reason I've never heard one that I would buy. What I've heard is a lack of smoothness, or maybe a bit of graininess (don't know what else to call it), on some there was a lack of midrange presence. Never could get emotionally connected. I do own Pass and am not making a comparison, some of the Luxman issues I heard before I got the Pass stuff. But where Luxman makes so many different models, I can not say they all have the issues I mention.
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I think that you are comparing apples to oranges. I would look at these two Pass pieces individually. The Pass XA 30.5 is an excellent sounding amplifier. I was not impressed with the XP10. The 2 people I know that have Pass amps don't have Pass preamps. That is where I would start. Borrow a few different preamps from your dealer to compare. You might even want to try a tube preamp to see how that sounds.
You probably know this but I will state it nonetheless, you have to hear the Luxman and then decide. An Audiogon friend (with discriminating taste/good ears) has the Pass Labs XP 20 and XA 30.8. He has been very happy with this pairing. He recently auditioned three integrated amplifiers in his system which he felt bettered the Pass separates.
Lyric Ti140 - German push pull tubes
Mastersound EVO PSET 845- Italian PSET tubes
T+A 3100 HV - German solid state
You just don’t know until you’ve actually listened to the various components. As mentioned above Luxman has numerous choices at different performance levels/price points.
+1 for the Luxman L-590 AX II.
I owned two Luxman receivers back in the '80's prior to Luxman leaving the U.S. audio market. The first was a R-1120 the last was the R-117
by far the better of the two in all respects was the R-1120.
Gifted it to my father-in-law. Big mistake. Should have held onto it.
Among the Luxman integrateds, I've heard three of them in the last six months. First heard the L-590 AX II (two or three times), L-509X (two times), and the L-507uXII. The L-590 AX II is very smooth and has lots of bloom for an SS product. The L-507uXII is pretty new and I have a buddy who has one; very clean and enjoyable sound. For me, it is more lively with that sense of sparkle I like, just a more inviting sound. The L-509X, at least for me, is the best of the three. Just more of everything and quite a bargain in the under $10k integrateds category. I really think they nail the looks/aesthetics as well.
I've also heard the Luxman 900 M/C amp/pre combo and it is again even better, though it is around $30k.
I've heard the Pass INT250 and INT60. To me, they are both very smooth and clean but they lack that aliveness and sparkle that makes my foot tap.
Both of these brands make excellent gear. You just need to know what type of sound you like to make an educated decision. If you could get a dealer to demo for you, that'd be the way to go.
@charles1dad mentioned the T+A 3100 HV integrated amp. I recently auditioned it with the matching 3100 SACD player and Wilson Sabrina speakers. It was really really good. It is one of the best integrateds I've heard but it is $22k. I've also heard the Burmester 032 and it is also a very good integrated and like the T+A, is an expensive spend at $25k. I have not heard the T+A and Burmester on the same speakers but did hear the L-509X and the Burmester on TAD E1s and though the Luxman is very nice, the Burmester is quite a bit better, at least for me. And so you do get what you pay for. YMMV and hope this helped.
I own the Luxman L-590AX, which is the predecessor to the current AXII. This is Luxman’s TOTL integrated, you should give one a listen. None of the short-comings that jaybe lists apply to this amp, in my opinion. I can’t comment on the Pass Labs gear.L.
genez hints at a key question. In my experience audiophiles spend freely for things such as $5k power cords hooked into a cheap socket in a house with old O2 polluted copper or worse aluminum.
Or they keep a huge equipment rack between the speakers wrecking center fill, with turntables with the cover on getting hit by heavy bass waves. Choose speaker locations based on ease and looks and not sonics.
I recently moved from a great room set up with ASC traps, fabric wall hangings and small oriental carpets to balance reflection and absorption. My 2k Triangle Celius 202's with fully redone x-over and Fountek ribbons sounded like they were $5k speakers. New room compromised by WAF, lack of ASC traps, sound like $700 speakers. Half hour of listening was enough for me to decide to pack them away and buy another high end can - this time Audeze to go with my HFM, Senn etc.
All my Amps are Pass Labs don’t think Luxman’s build quality is what it used to be in the old days. Just like Mac’s you have the name but not the build quality ( have Read they are now produced in another country not 100% sure of this fact) Also Pass Labs stands behind anything they sell regardless of when they built it. Had an issue with my X5 I am the second owner not even sure when it was manufactured called them on the phone and they fixed the problem. Do you think at your price point it’s that much of a significant difference to switch to gear just because you can. I think your at the point of diminishing returns. Like the person who says he can hear the difference in a $2,500 speaker cable compared to a $3,500 cable.
I would like to hear your response good luck
I had a recapped vintage Luxman M-02 a few years back. I was expecting to wind up with it pretty much as a permanent fixture at least for a couple of years or more as I appreciated the quality of construction and always had and have an appreciation for Japan made gear. I Also have an XA30.5. The Lux is long gone and Im still using the Pass. At least as soon as I can get it out of the box after making a big move. It's been quite awhile and cant really expound on it but suffice to say there was nothing that caught my attention about its performance.
luxman built to the very highest standards comparable to the highest of the high end . some company’s investment on the outside is shameful given uber pricing. the argument that this is to facilitate more on the inside irritates me because a purchaser should have both. i think it’s more likely that more on the outside means more on the inside. i love my arc amp but they didn’t spend jack on the box. the inside ain’t loaded either but it does sound great. rowland is a good example that loads it up in and out. i can think of many. imo
I happen to be in auditions these last days and to divide myself between a Luxman L-590axII and a Pass Labs Int-25, both class A, both with a sound that I identify my self a lot and like it very much. A full, sweet and very musical sound. I haven't made a decision yet, but I know I'll be happy with either one. Cheers
I happen to be in auditions these last days and to divide myself between a Luxman L-590axII and a Pass Labs Int-25, both class A, both with a sound that I identify my self a lot and like it very much. A full, sweet and very musical sound. I haven't made a decision yet, but I know I'll be happy with either one. CheersI have the same doubt right now! Can't make auditions in my city, please share opinions, Icarpediem.
Haven't heard this piece, but have listened to many other Luxmans, and for whatever reason I've never heard one that I would buy. What I've heard is a lack of smoothness, or maybe a bit of graininess (don't know what else to call it), on some there was a lack of midrange presence. Never could get emotionally connected. I do own Pass and am not making a comparison, some of the Luxman issues I heard before I got the Pass stuff. But where Luxman makes so many different models, I can not say they all have the issues I mention.Jaybe, which Luxman amp was it? This is not my experience as the L-590AXII does not exhibit any grain at all when compared to other solid-state amps out there. It's one of the smoothest, liquid and neutral amps out there. It's Class A by the way.
The 590AXII is interesting because its 30 watts pure class A kind of like the 30.8.
I was debating between INT60 (for the same 30 watts class A and another 30 watts of AB overhead if needed) or the X150.8 with my audio gd he9 preamp.
Also considering the X250.8 or INT250 vs the M900U or 509X.
Tough choice. But no matter what I will likely go either pass or luxman.
Haven't heard this piece, but have listened to many other Luxmans, and for whatever reason I've never heard one that I would buy. What I've heard is a lack of smoothness, or maybe a bit of graininess (don't know what else to call it), on some there was a lack of midrange presence.
What???????????? I call nonsense.
I've heard have a dozen different Pass models and I honestly feel this author is deliberately reversing the difference in these amps. He's actually describing Pass as I've heard them. Wonder if he read my prior posts?
I do recommend everyone looking listen to Pass, Luxman and Ayre. Those are a great triad which to me sound very different.
Lack of smoothness? Compared to Pass? Hahahahahahahah.
I am jumping late in discussion, but thought of giving my 2 cents on Luxman 590AXII.. I just purchased and have been using it since a week now and has barely broken yet. All I can say is wow. Very musical and tube like. There is something about Luxman class A, which is very seductive. Again, as others have mentioned, the 30 watts described are very very conservative. They are more than sufficient to drive any speakers with decent sensitivity. This is an end game integrated amplifier.
I talked to a dealer of both luxman and pass labs and he mentioned that a bunch of people were coming in trading their pass in for luxman. One guy apparently traded in his XS300 for 2x m900U ! And one a pair of 260.8s for a single m900U.
I myself heard the 509X on a pair of magico m2s and s7 and it sounded incredible (but it was my first time hearing these speakers so hard to evaluate the amp alone).
Any other impressions comparing luxman and pass?
shahram69 posts07-09-2020 9:24amI wish luxman would make the a Power Amp only version of the 590AXII so it could be had at a cheaper price...All their SS power amps are class AB.The power amps aren't cheaper than the integrated amps. That being said, Luxman did offer the M-800A amplifier a few years ago, 60 watts, Class A. But again, not cheap.
Romney80, I also have the L-590AXII. It is a very good amp. If your DAC can take balanced cables, by all means try a good quality balanced cable. The Luxman is very sensitive to cabling and will perform at a much higher level if you pick the correct one to suit the system and your musical preferences.