George or Jaymark,
Where does this gain setting info come from? The website says 26db....and no mention of internal dip switches.
Actually, for very sensitive speakers even lower than 22 db would work best. Some DACs put out more than 4Vrms in balanced mode.
This is a great first review. I would like more info. What amps did it beat and in what ways?
Hopefully, there will be more comments and reviews soon.....and with plenty of info (system details, types of music tested, direct comparisons.....well, you get the idea). |
Mod you say? Just listed the basic mod on my website. I cant help it...improving things is in my blood. |
Wow! Did not know about the Peachtree.....the revolution is happening! You have to understand....every GaN amp will sound different and every new amp has different potential (burn in and mods).
I do not own an EVS 1200 amp. I have a Mivera that I am modding right now but it will be gone next week. You already own the Mivera so the mod will not cost you much......but you want the best you can afford.....of course. There are so many new GaN amps coming that it will be impossible to know which one is best until there will be A/Bs of all the amps......and then again with modded amps. I am afraid that will mean never.....he he. You just have to decide sometime and realize that whatever and whenever you choose......that choice is temporary. There will always be a better amp......this has always been so. This is why I tell people not to spend over $5K on an amp......you are going to lose big, otherwise.
Here is the list of contenders.....too bad it took LSA so long to get their amp out.....they could have dominated the market. Now, they are one of many new GaN amps:
1. LSA Voyager 350 $3000
2. Wyred for Sound amp $3000 not yet released
3. Peachtree 400 amp $3000
4. Orchard Audio amp $2500 about to ship
up in price is:
5. Mytek Manhattan $6000 due out this summer
6. Mytek Empire mono blocks $20,000 shipping any day now
7. AGD Audion mono blocks $7500
9. AGD Gran Vivace mono blocks $18K
10. Merrill Audio Element 116 amp $16K
down in price is:
11. Premium-Audio/Class D Audio Mini GaN amp $750
12 Orchard Audio mono block baby amps....$1500.
Don’t blink.....there might already be another new GaN amp about to be released.....he he.
A year from now there will be a dozen more GaN amps....some from the mega buck high end companies. I am sure you will see some hybrids using tubes on the input, as well. |
The list was for GaN amps.......yes, the Cherry amps are great and the stock IceEdge modules in a box Legacy amps can be made (by me) to sound way better. Then there is the IceEdge modules in a box with tube on the input (PS Audio 1200 amps)......those I can make better, as well. Then there is modded Purifi amps. So, lots of great Class D available (GaN and non GaN).
Everything being equal.......it makes sense to make a new amp using GaNs as these things are just faster than Mosfets.....so it makes sense that they would also make better sound. You cannot substitute GaNs in a circuit where there are Mosfets now. They have completely different packaging and require circuit tweaking. This is why it has taken so long for GaN amps to be available. Each manufacturer has to design the thing from the ground up. No Ice, or Hypex modules in a box here. I emailed Wally (of LSA) in March of 2020 and he said had they had already gone through 3 "board mods". Who knows how many revisions they had to do before they were satisfied with the sound. No wonder it took almost 2 years to release. For this reason, I trust that this LSA amp MAY be the best of the $3K amps. |
Everyone will have a different take on the "ever evolving game of high end audio". There was a cartoon in the old Audio magazine where this guy is sitting on a park bench with an unopened preamp box on his lap and his head is down and he is obviously forlorn. The captions says...."John just realized that his brand new preamp was already out of date"
Yes, by the time you buy the latest thing the designers are working up the mark II version.......and so it goes. Enjoy the ride. Live in the now. |
There is not even a picture of a proto of the Atmasphere amp. He said this year he would bring it out (he has been talking about it for 2 years). I am not holding my breath. Hopefully, it will happen....good be great. Except for the Wyred for Sound amp (waiting on a reply from W4S) the other amps on the list are all solid for now or about to be released. |
Better, as in every way. Name a quality.....its better. mostly it is more transparent, faster, more extended on top, more dynamic, better imaging, more air, better bass and more real. Legacy is not done as well as the best Mivera....so more will come from modding that. The mods have practically no burn in. I am not replacing coupling caps or electrolytics and the modified Wima's I use sound great right away.......yes, there will be a slight improvement with time.....but not much. Modding the Rouge would give about the same improvement as modding the Legacy. I have not modded a Legacy.....doubt I will. It costs too much for most to want to mod it......too bad....they have no idea how good those modules can sound with proper massaging. |
I have never modded a Rouge. I base my statements on how the different amps are implemented stock. The BEST Mivera uses way better jacks (AC, input and output) and better wire then any other IceEdge amp. The mods to any IceEdge amp MODULE are equal value. Mono amps make less difference than using all great wire and jacks. The best of the best would use mono modded modules and the worlds best jacks and wires and fuses. |
There were people almost two years ago that ordered the LSA amp......just now being delivered. Basically, when it ships....it's real.
Supply chain? production details? that can take an eternity.....or less.....let's hope less. The sooner he brings it out the sooner I can do mods on it......he he. |
This is perfect......this way we will all know what you think of the unit stock......and then later....with the mods. People are going to trust your direct experience with the mods more than mine. |
Unless an amp has Teflon coupling caps or such, I find 200 hours of PLAY time to be plenty of time to know what an amp sounds like. When I sold my EVS 1200 amps I included cheap 100 watt 8 ohm power resistors so someone can burn in the amp continuously. You listen for a couple of hours then take off the speaker wires and install the resistors and turn it back on at the same volume level.....then check to see how hot the resistors are......if they are nice and toasty but you can at least touch them then just leave it playing on repeat or streaming till you listen again. These are $1,51 each plus shipping for the 8 ohm 100 watters: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/152815608794?hash=item23948523da:g:mA8AAOSwdW9aCk-KThey can only do about 10 watts free air (not mounted to a heatsink) but are plenty big enough. Just solder a nice big wire to each end and you can even put cheap bananas on to make them super easy to install. I usually put a new amp in the bathroom and burn it in straight using resistors for one week (160 hours) and then start modding. Same with DACs and players (I use a 1K resistor for low level components). However, the mods make way more difference than burn in. The mods will always make the same difference and most mods do not require much burn in. Even 24 hours of play is plenty of time to get an idea of the sound of something. After that, each mod makes a serious difference Many times I have taken a barely burned in piece and started mods and I could always hear the mods improvement. Having something idle is not play time. You really want play time. You want current running through all the parts. Class A amps run a lot of current through the power supply and output stages but none through the wiring and jacks and coupling caps, etc. Only play time does it all. Class D amps idle really low in current and have an inductor and caps to ground on the output......you want current running through these parts. Viber 6, 157 hours is plenty of time to know what the basic stock amp sounds like. It is not going to magically change at exactly 400 hours. I personally have never heard an IceEdge amp that had 400 hours of play time. Even my own amp never had that many play hours before I sold it (it did have hundreds of hours at idle as I never shut it off). I am not saying you need to send me your amp right now......in fact, I am busy for a couple more weeks so you have more time to burn in. Just sayin' |
Cutting hairs. Your amp is mostly burned in.....it doubt its going to change much from now on. Sure, blast it as much as possible....certainly no harm....except for your ears and your neighbors. |
The Voyager has 26db of gain and the Coda amp probably the same. The Benchmark amp has 9db of gain in the low setting. The lower the gain of the amp the less it will amplify the noise before it. With 9db of gain you could never use the Benchmark driven from a DAC (unless you had 100db speakers). 26 db is the industry standard. The Benchmark has a high of 23db gain....still on the low side.
Besides hiss levels.....how does the Voyager sound?.....compared with the Benchmark and Coda? I know its only been a day......but curious. |
yyz, Just looked at your "old" system pics. Here are some tweaks that make any system better:
1. Get all cables off the floor. Way more open sound when all cables (power, interconnect, digital, speaker) are off the floor.
2. Never stack gear.....each piece should be isolated and on its own shelf.
3. Use great footers and shelving. This can be mind blowing. Every type of wood, shelving, footer will sound different. Stock equipment on thin wood or whatever......not good. My fav for each component is: inner tube with barely any air in it....then on top of that is a bamboo cutting board from Ikea and on top of that is 1.5 inches of solid maple (the two woods cancel each others vibration) and on top of that is the best footers from Mad Scientist and then the component on top of that. Sometimes it sounds best with the cover removed.....sometimes sounds best with damped weight on top of component. All the above is trial and error.
4. Use super fuses. The latest rage is Quantum Science fuses.
5. Use super contact enhancer.....the latest rage is High Fidelity cable goop.
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With all this modding talk.....he he.....LSA now states on their website they will offer an input and output wire upgrade for another $175....starting 8-16. Don’t bother.....my wires are better and I will be eliminating the sound of the binding post by using my binding post bypass system......also way better AC wires, IEC input jack....elimination of one fuse, option for better input jack, etc......and this is just the beginning. Should be fun, cannot wait to listen and tweak. Yes, the modded amp will be way more detailed......and more musical (sounding more like real instruments).
I hope those that are evaluating the amp will listen to some serious 2 mic recordings of natural unamplified or moderately amplified instruments in natural space. This way you can hear depth, air, decay, the wood on an instrument, the breathiness in a voice....separation of instruments.......the sound of the room, etc. Most of my evaluations are done with Chesky, Clarity Recordings, and Mapleshade recordings because they are so natural and detailed. Rush is fun, but you are not going to get subtle details of real instruments or the sound of the room, etc. I want to hear what brand of string someone is playing. When they pick up a different guitar.....I want to go....wow....what just happened? How does an amp handle mass strings? Does the string quartet sound like its in the room.....do they make you cry? Just was watching a Utube video of Stevie Ray and Albert King jamming together......man, that Stevie could play! See, I like to rock out too! |
Viber6 can help you with string quartets and orchestral stuff. One of my favorites is Clarity records "The Emissary" featuring Chico Freeman. Another is Livingston Taylor's Chesky recording "Ink". For real pretty dinner bossa nova jazz.....its the Chesky recording of Luiz Bonfa's "non stop to Brazil". Just do a search for Audiophile recordings....tons of stuff out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY16krRKzQI&list=PLKlGuF--sgHvu7uUo2A0xnIazqH8xAt5J |
Viber6,
Since you "know" the Benchmark sound......How does the bone stock $1800 IceEdge amp you have compare to the $3000 Benchmark amp? Of course, we know you have not heard the Benchmark in a long time.....just curious. |
I hope you disconnected the Coda from the preamp (removed the interconnect to the Coda AT the preamp) when you listened to the LSA. If you are driving two amps (or even just two interconnects) at the same time (even though only one is on) it will degrade the sound of the one you are listening to. |
Are you using the same speaker wires with both amps when using the Raal? If the wire is lower quality (less detailed) on the LSA then you may be listening to the difference in the cables. What connectors are on the ends of the cable you use with the LSA? If bananas.....then there is more degradation as bananas almost always sound worse than spades. Everything has to be done exactly the same when you A/B otherwise, you really cannot draw any valid conclusions.
Audience Conductor speaker wires were an entry line speaker cable when designed years and years ago. The Front Row Audience cables are the latest top of the line cables. The far more expensive Front row should be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more detailed and clear.
The Coda and the Benchmark amps have five way binding posts. You could use the Conductor cable on all three amps that way.....eliminating the difference in cables. |
So, are you always listening to the LSA amp (speakers and headphones) using the Conductor cable.....and when always listening to the Benchmark and Coda amps you are always using the Front row Cable?!? If so, all your tests are invalid. You HAVE to do everything the same. How can you tell if the amp is more detailed or if it's the cable? You can only change one thing at a time to actually know anything. |
Sorry, I did not see that you posted that you were using the Conductor for all tests with the RAAL......however, I just now looked quickly at your posts and did not see it mentioned. Glad you are just changing the amps and not the cable.
Sniff tests might be good for low level detail but we don’t listen to sniffs.....we listen to music. Sounds like the LSA is still a little bit "flat" on music? Will be interested in how much it improves with more burn in (probably not much) and of course, how much better it will be with mods.
Benchmark is a "testing for numbers" company. Their ranking of speaker connectors reflects their tests using resistance numbers....probably. I personally rank bananas as the worst sounding......the best is bare or tinned wire to wire (available only with my binding post bypass system).....then spade to bare wire.....then spade to super low mass binding posts (Furutech or WBT) and lastly bananas.....locking or not. I have never heard Speakons so cannot rank them......they are fairly low mass and simple....so they might be fine. |
FYI,
I am now modding all the amps in the world.....well, maybe not all. How about Premium Audio, Purifi (two more mods to try), IceEdge, LSA (both amps), Orchard Audio and Cherry amps. I’ve got you covered. No doubt will do the Wyred for Sound when it arrives. |
Before you ask.....yes, of course, I will be modding the Peachtree. Yes, please take the cover off the Peachtree so we can see if it is similar to the Voyager......they both say 850 watt power supply. |
Is the chassis on the GaN 5 amp made of aluminum or steel (a magnet will quickly tell you)? If it is steel.....and even if it is not.....removing the cover may give sonic benefits. The chassis is so short that it is very close to all wiring and the circuit board.....not good. |
I assume you are using the Conductor speaker wire on both the Coda and Voyager when driving the Thiel's? |
This is good news that the chassis is steel on the GaN 5. This means my mods will make even more difference. |
Class D has always been as good as class A......the output stage....that is. The rest of it has needed work.....hence the evolution. All these $3000 new GaN amps are still using op amps for the buffer and modulation stages. We will see a true revolution when discrete stages are used everywhere and every part and power supply is tweaked by ear....just like the $100K Boulder amp is. You are not going to see a $3K amp stock beat a $100K Boulder mono block pair.....no way. However, with some mods these amps could be as good as most anything under $10K.....yes, that would be a big breakthrough. The people that are buying these $3K and less new Class D amps are not the people who buy the Gryphon’s, Boulder’s, etc. amps. We simply cannot afford them....and I find it a silly waste of money so spend that amount on one component.
As these inexpensive new Class D amps start to push the big boys.....you will see the big boys coming to the table. Look for Gryphon and Boulder and Audionet super high end amps using class D output stages......yes, some of them will see the writing on the wall and know it is to their advantage to make smaller more efficient amps that sound just as good as their class A amps but are less than half price to sell. You only need two pairs of GaN transistors to make 400 watts in class d and basically hardly any heatsink area.
Mytek is about to release a $6K stereo GaN amp and $20,000 mono block GaN amps. Will these challenge the big boys....or are they still using op amps and not so great execution?.......we shall see....er hear....very soon. I really don’t trust Mytek.....look at the cables they sell.....look very ordinary.
I predict that within 3 years all these big class A amps will be boat anchors. Class D is going to take over the world........can you dig it? Will the "expensive toy group" be listening to the latest class D amp from Gryphon?.....he he. |
The first input buffer is easy to change......but the ones following it might require a schematic, etc. to implement correctly. Then you want better parts, layout, power supplies, output filter parts, etc. So, a serious (state of the art) class D amp should be designed from the ground up. I will see how much can be done to these modules as soon as some one sends me an amp. The modded amp will sound way better than stock.....but to think it will be state of the art (beating every amp on the planet)....is silly. It will keep getting better and better......but already....we have some really good sound for not that much money. |
yyz,
Give me a call and we can work out the details.
Ric
BTW.....just got an email from Wyred for Sound.....in a month
or so their 400W per channel $3000 GaN amp will be released.
I wonder if they are also using the same modules and power supply
that LSA and Peachtree are supposedly using. We shall see. |
So far, all of EJ’s amps have been plug and play using IcePower and their own front end circuit. Would be nice if it were a stand alone design. We already have two of the same with Peachtree and LSA.
If the Peachtree and LSA are the same it is a great time to get a super deal on the LSA from Walter. He knows that Peachtree has a 30 day money back and he charges $450 in restocking fees.....making the Peachtree much more desirable. So, I have no doubt he will give super trade in values and even straight discounts.....as he will want to unload as much merchandise ASAP.....especially in light of WFS’s about to be real... amp.....and the new $2500 GaN amp from Orchard (to ship in Oct.). A good time to be an audiophile.....great stuff....and, not so expensive! |
I believe Orchard is going to put their steamer/DAC in a box with their GaN amp stages......we have only just begun. |
Thank you for that detailed comparison. No doubt, the Voyager will have much more purity, air, speed and palpability once modded. Should be an interesting A/B at that point. |
Taking me way longer to get my stereo back up an running (no speakers for over one year now...been using headphones). Just now finished wiring the speakers and I will be firing up the stereo tomorrow some time. The amp starting the game will be my modded VTV Purifi amp (same level of mod that was reviewed by 10audio). I will do a couple of mods to the Purifi and then change to the Voyager......this should be fun.
"Patience Grasshopper"
What do they say about things taking way longer than expected?.......At least 3 times longer.....at least. I thought I would have the stereo fired up last Thursday.......it does feel way more together in here.....had to clean a ton of stuff up. It is all good!
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All amps....solid state or tube do bass differently (my direct experience). Because it is not one thing that EVER does anything. Even the jacks and wiring and vibration control, etc. etc. effect the bass response. Change the fuse in a Krell....you will get different bass response. Most transistor amps are voltage sources.....they all sound different. Certainly, Krell has a reputation for "big" bass. Is it perfect? Is is the best ever? Nah....no such thing. This game in infinite.....everything makes a difference. I could mod a Krell and get better bass, midrange and highs.....it never ends... |
BTW.....the LSA/Peachtree amps do not have zero feedback......they use low feedback. Darko is wrong. |
FYI.....the LSA Voyager and the Peachtree GaN 400 use the same amp boards and power supply. The only thing different is the case, jacks and wires. They will sound slightly different, as everything makes a difference.....but basically.....when someone is talking about the sound of one......they are talking about the sound of both. We shall soon see whether or not the new $3000 Wryed for Sound 400 W GaN amp is also using these modules or have developed their own. |
Atmasphere,
I used to respond to George.....now, I have finally (boy I am dense some times) learned he will never hear what I have to say....so, there is no sense responding. I will correct something he says that is way, way off (but only once)......but there is no sense going over the same thing with him over and over and over again....which is what I see you doing with him on thread after thread. Whatever he says is not going to change the course of anyone's purchase or happiness nor change the course for humanity. Anyone with a brain can see how little or how much George actually knows (based on his direct experience with the items/points of view being talked about).
It is best to just leave him be. If he has no one that is "reacting" to his posts then they will just die on their own......no problem for anyone. BUT, if you keep responding to him (trying to FIX his words) then this nonsense will go on forever. Peace is realizing that the world is perfect....just as it is.....including with whatever George spouts. The deepest peace comes from the experience of being loved every second by the entire universe.....and that it has always been this way......and always will be this way.......no matter what the "circumstances" seem to indicate. I wish you all the deepest peace. For it is our "true nature"......our truth. |
Trouble is.....no one cares....and he keeps ranting and disagreeing.....saying the same thing over and over (as we all do)....disturbing the peace. So, if you keep quiet.....we can hear our heart flutter its soft joy. We can see a post by him and just move on....stay in happiness....don't get caught in the downer drama......it will just fade away. The drama we want is upper drama.....the good news. Fighting and "heavy duty" points of view are part of the downer drama. Does not mean you cannot discuss things and have a different point of view......but you can learn to stay in your heart and always post something that you know will be uplifting for all......not just a point of view......listen to your heart. |
OK......a little tid bit on the Voyager sound. Finally got to listening to the stock fully burned in Voyager (sitting on Mad Scientist footers....not the best ones, however) and the sound is very, very good. Lots of information. However, I was not moved.....even though it is very warm and big sounding. Last time I played the Luiz Bonfa CD I was crying (using the modded Purifi amp here). So, I did the AC mod (better wire, jack, less fusing, etc.)....now we are talking. It is not as warm but much clearer and faster and real sounding.....the micro harmonic info is not being covered by the excessive warmth. I am now more "moved" by the music. However, some could like the amp stock better....even with its coloration. I can see that. Me, I want the naked truth. However, there is more to be done and I hope it brings out even more harmonic info and delicacy.....without edging into the "hard sound" category.....something I do not like. The tweaking has just begun....next up is the output wiring and binding post bypass system. |
I should not have said.....very warm.....it is not very warm.....just warmer than winter. Music has natural warmth.....everything depends on everything else for synergy. It is harmonic richness that makes me cry.....not warmth per say. However, you need the right amount of warmth and all the harmonic richness (that comes from transparency, low noise and low distortion). What is the right amount of warmth?....no one knows.
Less electronic warmth is not always associated with faster and clearer....sometimes it is just a lack of warmth. It is not black and white like you always describe. Some warmth is added fuzz.....some is real.
Please do not tell me what I have done or not done.....how would you know? You are wrong about this. I have listened to every single thing I have ever done. I know what each mod does. This is why it takes me so long to do a product. I keep saying to myself...."just do all things that have always made a difference and be done"......but instead, I listen to each mod one at a time.....and almost always I get the same result as before.....but not always.....and since there is synergy.......there needs to be careful listening tests done. |
OH my! Did a simple mod that made it warmer and more detailed. Then did another tweak to the system that was needed.....OMG this amp is good! I will wait till I have done several more mods to comment again. To busy crying. |
rajugsw,
Sorry you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. You sound like someone in need of love. I love you.....you are beautiful. The whole world loves you. Give yourself a hug.
Orchard makes a GaN module (that he tried to sell to VTV) and so does the company that makes the ones for Peachtree and LSA. Who is to say which module is better? The Orchard amp is not even released yet. And who cares how old someone is that designed it? Then there is the $3K Wyred for Sound amp coming soon. So, there will soon be 4 GaN amps in the same price range......then there are mods to each one.....so that makes 8 different possibilities. Are you going to be the first to have all 8 of them in your room at the same time and burn them all in for 200 hours and A/B them all and tell us which one you like best? The GaN wars are just starting. We will have more and more of them.
So, stop whining and enjoy what you have. Your amp may be better than "theirs", or it may be different, or worse. Sorry it means so much to you. FYI...The Orchard amp uses a cheap chassis from Italy.....I know, I used that one for my EVS1200 amp. If you press on the top it goes down. If you press on the back panel it moves in (I had to do mods to it to not have it do that). Not well designed. Do you think the Orchard tree logo looks great on it? The power supply Orchard uses is a stock power supply from Hypex. Sorry to burst your bubble. I don’t care which one is best.....I mod them all.
Enjoy this moment.....it is the only moment that is this moment.
Breath......everything is fine.....just the way it is.
Love yourself and everyone.
Dance and sing a joyful song. |
Actually, the Voyager and Peachtree are using off the shelf modules (the amp modules and power supply) that do not need a separate input stage. They are both plug and play boxes. There will be more companies following suit. LSA and Peachtree had very little to do with the development of these modules......they are end users. The main reason GaN amps have taken so long to be available is.......you had to design your own amp board, like Merrill, Orchard, AGD and Class D audio did. There were no companies making and selling GaN based modules. Now there is. And these modules are really good!.....even without mods. Here is the main problem with Class D.......it is complex The input buffer on a class D amp has as much circuitry in it as a Coda 8 amp. And that is just the first input buffer. And these input buffers are usually $1 op amps.....not discrete stages.....this is true for AGD, Orchard, LSA, Peachtree, and Class D audio. I don’t know what is in the Merrill as they will not allow anyone to remove the cover. So, you have an input stage that is not as pure as the whole Coda amp....then you add another op amp......and then maybe more and then the driver and then the output devices and then the coil on the output.....Wow! it is amazing that they sound good at all!!! And they do. Miracles do happen. But there is no way there will ever be a class D amp that is truly state of the art until someone does every thing to the nth degree.....that means no op amps.....that means every part picked for sound.....this is what Boulder and Coda and Gryphon, etc. do. When you see these big companies make a class D amp.....the game will be over. Class A will truly be boat anchors... So, is the new $3000 about to be released GaN amp from Wyred for Sound all built with discrete transistors and tweaked to the max? How about the new Mytek GaN amps at $6K and $20K? Will we see state of the art class D soon? So, if the AGD amp has $1 op amps on its front end....how come it sounds so good? Because you have a listener/tweaker at its helm. He spent hundreds of hours tweaking the Mk II version. Please read the review on Enjoy the Music about it. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0421/AGD_The_Audion_MkII_Review.htmHowever, as long as he keeps those $1 op amps in there....it will never be state of the art. No doubt he is tinkering away as I speak. All the new GaN amps are great for the money.....and modded they can be taken to new heights......but do not expect state of the art.....not yet.....soon....however, it probably won’t be cheap if everything is done to the nth degree........I would guess above $10K......and at first, maybe way out there. So, now you know. Have a great every moment......you deserve it. You are beautiful. |
por favor repite eso para siempre
Do you think any other thoughts? Do you dream of this at night?
No, only when a class D amp sounds as good as the best class A amp
will it be as good.....no matter what its power rating or switching frequency is.
Theory is theory.....reality is what is real. Listening tests let us know what is real..
not rantings on a forum. |
Please guys.....do not respond or reply to George. He will just say the same thing over and over again. He will fight, fight, fight you. It does not matter to him that he has no proof of his 1.5 meg switching superiority or necessity.......he will just keep saying it over and over again and posting the same graph of phase shift over and over again. In all the years he has been pushing this idea.....not one single manufacturer has gone higher than 800K.....none.....many say it is actually a bad thing to do and causes to many problems.... to go any higher than 800K.
However, I think there is merit to pushing the switching frequency as high as possible....and I have said so several times. Three companies claim that raising the switching frequency to 7-800 K improved the sound (AGD, New Class D and New Prime (the first to do it)......so, there might be some benefit to going even higher if it can be done without drawbacks. Technics did it with their first $17K digital amp......and it is considered very good sounding. But to think it is the ONLY THING NEEDED to get "state of the art sound" without any proof whatsoever and keep stating it over and over as FACT is really just the rantings of a delusional soul trying his hardest to prove his worth. To bad he does not see how beautiful he is....then he could stop all his constant rantings.....saying the same thing over and over while he pounds his chest and calls people names......Growing up is not easy......we all have self esteem issues....if we did not....we would not be on the earth. This is our playground.....this is our SCHOOL. We have come to learn....to grow....and to find our true nature......the bliss that we inherently are.
So, when George spouts off.....just let it be....otherwise its a spiral of wasted energy for all. I hold George in the light....just bless him....like you can when a crazy speeding car or motorcycle races past you......just say "bless you and be safe".
George is blessing us by being how he is. He is a test from spirit. It is the same with the entire universe. Everything will keep pressing your button until you realize it is all perfect....RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW. You do not have much control over the circumstances of life.....but you have complete control of your response. If you hold life as sacred and everything as sacred then you realize that the button pusher is divine. You welcome it. However, there will be no button to push when you give up YOUR desire and attitude that keeps the button in place. You will eventually react less and less and finally someone will kick the button like heck....and you will just grin.....thinking.....Oh yeah I saw that film on tv years ago.....don’t need to watch that again. We create each other to grow. So, we created George for our entertainment and growth. Blessed is he. But the more attention you give to reacting and being in resistance....the more miserable you are. So, pay more attention to what brings you joy and less to what you resist. When you stop fighting and resisting and trying to be right.....then your world will be bliss (battles over). "Excuse me while I kiss the sky" Have a great week. |
Something truths are worth saying....some untruths are a waste of time......and speaking of time......you will all see.....in time....whether my prediction will come true or not........very soon! |
As soon as the words mods or such get thrown around then the objectivists have to come in and tell us subjectivists that it is all nonsense. The trouble is......90% or more of people reading this thread are subjectivists.......they believe you can hear differences and that these differences are fairly universal......another words....10 people in the same room will usually hear the same thing.
10% of people sitting in a church do not believe what is being said there (you know, they "have" to be there). Those 10% at least have enough common sense to keep their "opinion" to themselves. On a public forum.....no such decorum!.....he he....a rhyme.. You just say your opinion over and over and over again.......well, because, "it needs to be said, it is the truth....and I am saving the world....and....I am smarter than you"
90% of people here believe it is a FACT that all audio gear sounds different and that there are practically NO measurements that tell us what sounds best. It is mostly ART......everyone has an opinion and they are all valid.....for them......but again....most hear the same thing and like the same thing when all are in attendance together (not at a trade show where the level of consciousness is so varied). I am talking small gatherings of people who ALREADY believe in differences and TRUST their ears. I have attended lots of these gatherings......and the consensus is almost always 100%.......and when it is not....it is usually the person who owns a piece of gear that is the dissenter (ego attachment).
We can trust our hearing.....there is TRUTH in audio.....but you have to do many, many, many super critical listening tests to really KNOW anything........and this is why there are so many varied opinions....as there is way too much gear out there and the opportunity to have them at the same time is extremely limited. We are all bozos on the buss.....doing the best we can. What is best today will be tomorrows boat anchor.....that is for sure.
Have a GREAT DAY......blessings and Love. |
It's like talking to a wall......just don't bother to respond.....he will just keep saying the same thing over and over. |
Just a waste of time. Most of the stuff that changes and improves the sound has no technical (measurable at this time) benefit. You cannot convince ANYONE of anything. They have to be ready to change. The ego does not want to change......its whole game is survival of what is ALREADY known. Just like you are addicted to constantly talking about clarity and speed......and I am more and more addicted to Love and listening, sharing and mother/fathering. What addictions are most beneficial to real knowledge and real joy? We are all addicts! I love you. |
Blah, blah blah went the weeping anti tweakers.....If I described exactly what I did and know then it would not matter......you would say its still all voodoo......You guys have no clue because you do NOT LISTEN.....If you listened.....you would know. But instead, its a righteous rant.
Do you realize that all your equipment is modded? Every improvement by every manufacturer is a mod/tweak of what they did before. Everything is improving. Most here would not want amps, preamps or whatever from the 80s......they just are not modded enough.....not tweak enough. Mark Shifter said there were 5 revisions of the first board considered for the LSA......the new board....is rev D.......so that makes 9 mods.....9 tweaks. Don't you get it?.....any improvement is a tweak.....and mods includes, jacks, wire, fuses, chassis damping, op amps, capacitors, circuits, heatsinks, timing issues, rf, shielding....etc. etc. into infinity.
Again, many that have not listened to parts and things in a serious way think that it is all numbers......but most high end manufacturers are changing things to make it sound better....not measure better.....sometimes they get better measurements.....but usually, just better sound. Check out the latest buzz on the the Schitt audio Iggy DAC....they now have 3 different versions that all measure differently and a lot of those who listened blindly.....liked the worst measuring one the best......come on....go read it...
Wake up and smell the tweaks....a lot of nice flavors here. |
