Looking for the Honda S2000 of turntables


This turned out much longer than I anticipated, so I understand if you folks skip right over this post. For the rest of you, here we go.

I've been reading a lot about turntables for quite some time now. I have learned about matching tonearms and cartridges, resonant frequencies, compliance, azimuth, null points. And still I have difficulty choosing a model. Part of this is simply the number of choices available and the amount of disagreement between posters to forums such as this. But I think the biggest part of this is that one man's trash is another's treasure. People want different things from their turntables.

Look, there are folks out there, and you may be one of them, who are willing to devote time to tweaking and comparing and upgrading to squeeze every last bit of performance out of your systems. This is not a knock; it is clear you are passionate about your hobby and I am happy to see people get so much joy from their music. I wish I had the money, time and ears to conduct such experiments myself, but that's not me and it's not what I am looking for.

Here's what I am looking for in order of importance:

1. Tracking ability. I've read reviews to the tune of "this cartridge is amazing! Such detail, so dynamic! It doesn't track very well, but the slam!" Huh? If it doesn't track well, I don't give a fish how great it sounds. I've heard inner groove distortion and I want to minimize it as much as possible. Now, from what I've read, I should get a high-compliance cartridge because they track best, which means I should be looking for a low-mass tonearm. Except that manufacturers don't list the tonearm mass on their websites (I haven't found any, unless only the ones out of my price range do so) and the online tonearm database only lists mass for a few models, and of those I can afford, none of them are low-mass. Are there no affordable low-mass arms?

2. No fuss. I've read the arguments about VTA, and frankly I don't know what to believe. Some of you guys change it for every record, others never touch it. I want to think about my turntable as much as I think about my refrigerator; I want to open the door and the drinks to be cold. I want to play a record and hear music. If it's really a simple adjustment and makes an obvious difference, I'd consider it, but it's hard to know which of these suggestions are based in reality and which are just black magic.

3. Make my music sound good. I know, duh, right? What I mean is, I want MY music to sound good. I listen to R&B, Soul, and Rock through the 1970s. Up-tempo punchy music. I suspect a lot of these super expensive rigs are necessary to reveal the subtleties of symphonic works. Again, good on ya, I'm happy for classical fans, but I will never ever put a classic record on my platter, so those requirements go out the window. Think Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Beatles, James Brown, Led Zeppelin, Louis Jordan, Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Ramones, Talking Heads, that sort of thing.

3.5 On the subject of revealing detail in recordings, not all my records are in pristine condition and I'm afraid too revealing a system may bring out surface noise to a level I'm not happy with. I've read reviews that label certain cartridges as "forgiving" Is this what they're referring to? Is this something I should consider when choosing hardware?

4. Price. I have $2000 to spend on a turntable, cartridge and phonostage. When I say I have $2000 to spend, it means I have $2000 to spend, not "Well, you can get this now, and then upgrade this and this." No, I have two grand and that's that. That is way more than I spent on my last table (MMF 2.1), so whatever I get will be a big improvement. And I don't WANT to upgrade. I want it to work great now and enjoy it with no eye to the future.

Some of you may be thinking, "Buddy, you should just stick to CDs; this hobby isn't for you." First off, while no CD-hater, I have heard the difference between vinyl and CD and it is appreciable. Vinyl playback can sound alive in a way I have never heard from its digital counterpart. Also, I already have a few hundred records just waiting to be played again.

The best analogy I could think of regarding my quest for a new turntable is cars. There are sportscars out there like Ferraris, Maseratis, etc. that are magnificent machines capable of unparalleled performance and fun. They are also, incredibly expensive and fussy. These babies need to be coddled and primped and maintained not just to run well, but to just plain run! Then, there's the S2000 which is an amazing car in its own right, nimble, attractive and best of all, it's a Honda, which means the thing just works. No constant tweaking and fussing over. Turn the key and off you go. Sure, it's no Lotus, but it's no Civic either.

There we are. Thank you if you've made it this far. I really do respect the collective knowledge of the members of this board and will appreciate any advice that may come my way.
shrevie

Showing 1 response by les_creative_edge

Macrojack,

YOU NAILED IT!!!

When I got back into vinyl after a 16 year absence in 2003 it was firstly out of dusting off my old 1981 JVC LA-11 belt driver. It was in storage for over 16 years. The rubber mat vulcanised and was chucked for a piece of cut felt I made. The belt was slightly stretched and took a few minutes of play to get sounding like it was running 33.3 rpm. The Shure M-72 ?? cartridge had a skewed canti-leaver. But I said " What the Hell lets fire it up." I still had a few dozen LPs in storage and put on Alan Parsons Stereotomy. When the needle hit the vinyl I felt an Oh Oh something special is happening here. Well it lit a fire and I became a vinyl fan again. I bought a belt for the old JVC but within weeks I bought a new turntable, a Music Hall MMF2.1. which I liked quite much. Leading up to the purcahse I read a lot on line and believed [wrongly] that direct drives especially older Japan Inc. ones were crap! I scratched my head as I tried to recall auditioning said units back in the early 80's and never thought ill towards a good direct drive. But I figured with the internet and all this online stuff the audiophiles were better expert. I figured I guess belt drive is the ONLY way to get good sound and only NEWER belt drives for the most part. Well I did not want to spend too much money so I bought the MMF2.1. It worked very nice even with its entry level cartridge. Well I was now first becoming a vinyl snob who began to diss CD's and one of those so called know it all belt drive experts. This disease stuck with me for oh about 4 years. I did get back into liking CD's as I got a beter cd player and knew I had to enjoy CD's too as not all my music wil be only on vinyl. By 2007 I began reading up on the Technics SL-1200MKII and visiting Kab USA website. I read a lot and soon realized I was just another ahole audiophile wannabe who poo poo'ed direct drive, well after being reeducated to see that it is more than just the type of drive system but the whole unit that counts I bought a KAB modded SL-1200MKII. Threw on my Denon DL-110 cartridge and it was an easy to set up, easy to use and pleasurable turntable. DEAD SILENT, ROCK STEADY SPEED and a pleasing analogue presence. I moved out of the much ballyhooed crap of being belt drive vinyl snob and knew that this belt drive direct drive thing was CRAP! This said the sound and stability of my SL-1200MKII pleased me so I got interested in quality direct drives. Well I knew I wanted to experience the Golden era of Made in Japan Inc. direct drive tables. The major Japanese makers from the late 70's to the mid 80s reached a peak of superlative designed direct drive tables. The beter ones were cool and I then found a TOP OF THE LINE JVC QL-Y5F to add to my system and she's a beaut. Sounds airy, euphonic and slightly thick in bass sound. She runs DEAD silent and ROCK steady with her double quartz lock. She is a fully auto (Oh no the audiophiles scream) but with only electronic controls ie: no mechanical switches, gears or parts for the functions. As an audio fan and one who enjoys really LISTENING TO MUSIC and no longer just obsessing over gear and tweaks she makes me very happy as an audio fan.

We all range from audio fans, to geeks, to audiophile snobs and the general public ain't much like that. We as such gear heads should do our best to educate the general listening public as to how one can get great sound without being a geek but not turn them off of good sound. We are as fans in this hobby who are blessed with a desire to get more info and to better understand that the avg. music listener does not care to be as into it. We should positively impart the idea of quality sound without being jerks and pissing people of so ts they only live with MP3's