Looking for a mid-priced TT to install my 2M Black Cart


I am in the process of shopping of maximizing the value of some of my second system and doing some strategic upgrades.  my first TT was the Project Carbon Debut DC with an Ortofon 2M Red (MM).  I upgraded that to the 2M Black (MM) and it turned it into a great rig (to a point).

I am very aware. that the 2M Black exceeds the capabilities of the TT, so as I optimize this second system, I am looking for a good turntable that would provide a significant sonic improvement over the Project Debut Carbon, and would match well with the 2M Black.  I would like to keep it below $1500 (ideally under $1000). 

I am leaving out the other details of my system to keep this focused on the TT and not have this turn into a poll of what part of my rig's chain I should optimize next... ;-).

Just want some TT options under $1.5K that will help the 2M open up even more!
Thanks!
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Showing 8 responses by chakster

I think you should match it with a tonearm, not a turntable.
Effectime mass of the arm + cartridge compliance is the key.
There you go


But the best you can buy is new Technics DD with the arm that just fine for your Ortofon  
$1399 Technics SL1500C with cartridge and phono stage.
also available in black. Coreless Direct Drive motor. 
This is a semi-automatic tonearm close up

If you can buy a Direct Drive with coreless motor + cartridsge + phono stage (all in one) for $1399 then why do you need a Belt Drive turntable ? 

For a bit more you can find used Technics SL1200GR for $1500-1700 i believe. 
@bsmg

I would never buy a direct drive turntable


Then you will never get a stable rotation with all those belts etc. Cheap belt drive turntables are awful.

Coreless Direct Drive is the most stable motor in this world. This motor ain’t cheap and not easy to manufacture. Japanese can do it right. 


Differences SL1210GR and SL1210Mk7??


@twoleftears you can compare models here, the prices below are from U.S. dealer posted in the end of my Technics thread

The Technics SL-1000R is $18000.00

The SL-1200G is $3995.00 and SL-1200GR is half price

The new SL-1500C is $1399.00

The new DJ Version SL-1200Mk7 is $1199.00 - this is the cheapest new Technics at the moment


@bsmg 

The only advantage of direct drive is high torque and more stable speed. The extra vibration and noise from a direct drive turntable is why I would not have one.


I have 6 direct drive turntables and can't detect any noise from any of them, they are all so heavy that i can not detect a vibration. 

 My turntable has one belt. Don’t know where you’ve been the past 40 years or so but you may notice that the best turntables are not direct drive.

I am not that old to be in this hobby for 40 years, but i live with Direct Drive turntables for more than 20 years and in the past 5 years upgrading them. Can't imagine i could operate a belt drive. 

 The only DD ones I can think of are Japanese. Wait, VPI is coming out with some sort of 40th anniversary DD table (they must be cleaning out their warehouse of extra parts).

ONLY Japanese, yes. One of the most affordable High-End DD is Technics SP-10 mkII, Denon DP-80, Victor TT-81, but my favorite is Luxman PD-444. They are all vintage. 

Not sure who need a VPI 40th Anniversary when Technics made 100th Anniversary SP-10R $8,999

This is really just about maximizing value of my 2m black that is being shortchanged by the debut carbon

I think the question is the tonearm which is a separate unit, not necessary comes with a turntable of any kind. You can also try to load your Ortofon MM with 100k Ohm instead of 47k Ohm.
There is one Idler Drive that is so attractive: Restored Hammertone Garrard 301 from Audio Grail, especially in Artisan Fidelity plinth 

Aesthetically to die for (imo)

In my opinion this is a state of the art in terms of design, the only problem is the price which is higher than most expensive direct drive. I've never tried this turntable, but i wish to have one in collection. 
DJ’s use direct drive tables because they can physically turn the platter backward, which can’t be done successfully with belt drive.

None of the DJs turn the platter backwards, they turn the record on the slipmat (felt mat) any directiron if needed (it's called back cueing), but the platter under the slipmat always turning forward, not backward. And a high torque is needed to cartch the right speed immediately. 

Not all of the Direct Drive have such a high torque like Technics, for example my Luxman PD-444 has much lower torque.