Line conditioner...

I respect all experiences and more all people.... I only wanted to thank you for the description of this problem ....

Any audio problem can be approach in many ways and successfully...

But in my experience the source of noise in my system was coming from vibrations/resonance, from my electrical grid, and the sound was greatly impaired by the bad acoustic of my room...

You are right i know many interesting products to clean the noise in many ways.... I just cannot afford them then i was in the obligation to create my own solution, not perfect but it have worked for me....

Your description was corresponding to the problems i encountered.....

My best to you....

Very good description...thanks...

I live through all these, and decrease and erase them by improving the 3 embeddings of my system....

Or as mahgister calls it embedding. Whatever. Point is not what you call it. Point is understanding every single inch matters.

You are right all along the electrical grid of the house there is source of noise that rest unadressed...

But you are wrong, the right concept is very important, because a bunch of "tweaks" is not a method...

Unknowleadgeable people can call "tweaks" snake oil or placebos.... They cant calls the triple embeddings which are a concept and a method, a snake oil....

My best to you and be glad with your marvellous Moabs.... I am very curious of their sound because of the original design.... Alas! no one own this here.....

It is amazing how simple thing dont pass the border of understanding...

Any electronic component work by a trade-off....A line conditioner is a E.C.

Any E.C. will work better on some counts, way less on others...

If what we hear in some count seems better, we will say that this line conditioner is good...

But most being good can also act negatively on some aspect of sound, and people more sensible will perceive it....

Then why keeping a line condiotioner?

Because i use minerals to compensate some negative aspects, then i profit of the positive one without living with the negative one....

I live better also with a surge protector for my amplifier, and some separate one for my computer....

But i will not argue more about minerals (stones and crystals).... Being "fool" is one thing, being accusing seriously to be one an another...

I can live with the first, the second is an unnecessary troublesome impression that others makes on you....

A pure perfect clean power does not exist in any electrical  house grid....Sorry....

Interesting.... Thanks....

But you miss my last line.... This article also...
I am perhaps a bit too much unorthodox in my solution mode...

:)

A line conditioner is a fine useful thing.... BUT remember that adding any new component will add noise.... Audio electronic is an engineering art of trade-off...(see the link at bottom)

Then the more general problem, never solved totally by any line conditioner, is how can i decrease the noise floor of my house electrical grid?
(by electrical grid i think about all that is interconnected in my house, room, and gear)

No piece of electronic can by itself miraculously solve all problem...even a battery power bank will create his own noise floor even if it is lower than in your house....There is always ways to go further....How to decrease the noise floor of my powered battery audio system is an interesting question also....

I can also say myself like others here, my Panamax help me a lot....But i prefer to point to the true fundamental problem, instead of advising for the one brand i know in the sea of all brands at all price....

Nobody know the best conditioner under 1000 dollars except perhaps by reading all reviews.... The same thing apply for power conditioner more costly....

But no line conditioner can totally remedy for all of what is coming from the electrical grid, all by itself... Perfection is an idea not a fact....

Personally i has look for cheap way to decrease the noise floor of my grid.... Nothing is perfect but when we have results at low cost we are happy....I has keep my Panamax and apply my contriols methods on it also.... :)


This article summarize some aspects of this trade-off in electronic components...


https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/analog-design-trade-offs-in-applying-linearization-techniques-CMOS-circuits/

His conclusion:
« In analog design, we have to consider several aspects of circuit performance such as speed, power consumption, linearity, noise, input/output impedance, stability, and voltage swings. There are usually trade-offs between these parameters, and we cannot improve all of them simultaneously.»

Personally i have experiment successfully with passive minerals....There is no noise coming from  rocks.... :)