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Life After Technics SL1200 Mk5

Hi All,

i am starting the hunt for a new turntable and what to hear from past owners of Technics TT's.

My first real turntable was a Luxman PD272 with a Shure V15 Type IV cartridge, both of which I wore out. Given it was my formative years, I loved that set-up. I acquired my Technics 1200 Mk5 about ten years ago after a long journey down the digital fork in the road. 

Due to some technical furniture issues and WAF, I had to set the TT aside, again. I have rolled through various digital gear and currently use a PS Audio PWT and Theta ProBasic III R2R ladder DAC.

Anyway...I set up the Technics again with an AT150 MLX cartridge and....lo and behold...the digital setup, while not possessing that vinyl sound, does sound better than the SL1200 and AT150.

I did not want to believe this, so I reinstalled the cartridge and realigned the table. Same resort. Basically, the sound is a bit tilted to the treble, the bass is a bit thin compared to my digital gear, and the overall sound seems lean.I have fiddled with cartridge tracking and tonearm balance with no improvement.

So what is next? Is it I do not like the AT cartridge? Has my digital gear outgrown my TT?

That is why I want to learn about the experiences of those of you that moved to a different turntable from Technics. What Technics table did you have and what cartridge? What new turntable and cartridge replaced your Technics setup? How did the sound improve? I would appreciate any and all advice!

Thanks for listening,

Dsper


dsper
dsper OP
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I don't know how knowledgeable you are with analog but I did not know ANYTHING and I'm learning.
Hi liusma31,

I have read a lot but not sure how much I "know" about analog and turntables. Tonearms, cartridges, and compliance and their interrelationship is not working knowledge for me. I just recently downloaded an old Absolute Sound simple cartridge alignment tool from the net and tried it. I can hear an improvement with a better focused sound and suspect that I got the stylus more to the center of the record groove. 

Live and learn!

Dsper


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chakster
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Hi Chakster,

Just to be clear, can you please describe what you mean by full rewire? Is it more than just the tonearm rewire?

I mean internal tonearm wires (4 of them) and external shielded phono cable.
Can can offer you his own, but you can buy better cables (not expensive) from Cardas or Discovery. If you like silver there are silver cables available too (from Audio Note or VdH for example).

Signal Cable Silver Resolution (Shielded) PHONO cable with separate ground wire is here. Any length you want, great price! KLE RCA are the best.

Unfortunately Zu Audio Mission Phono RCA for promotional (auction) price from the manufacturer on ebay are sold. It was the best copper cable for under $100.


dsper OP
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Ok, its on its way to KABUSA; we'll see what happens.
dsper OP
657 posts
 
Hi,   

FWIW, I got the Technics SL1200 Mk 5 back from KABUSA with the tone arm wire and interconnects rewired.

The sound is  much improved, and well worth the $250, because it is much more smooth and there is less treble harshness.

Having said that, while I need to listen some more, I am pretty sure that  my DAC and transport still provide superior sound.

Thanks for listening,

Dsper
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chakster
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If you want to compare digital and analog then you need to compare true analog (not a reissues) and in this comparison you will not be able to find a digital equivalent, because the master was analog. The best analog recordings are from the 70's and 80's in my opinion. Some 50's and 60's also good, but it'as different style of music and different production. In my opinion analog was on its peak in the early 80's. 

If you're listening to new music produced/mastered digitally then you don't need vinyl at all. 

If you're listening to original records produced? mastered and pressed in analog era then you don't need digital at all.

Digitally remastered reissues are NOT analog anymore once it was converted to digital and pressed back on vinyl it's something else, but not an analog records anymore.  


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