@hollandw, thanks for posting and I’m surprised you haven’t had any responses. I think MP is more active over on WBF.
I was wondering how the MP might compare with the SMG, which is also highly regarded, or the fidata which we use but is little known and which I can confirm is exceptionally good. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Lauferteknik now also sells the software that can be implemented on your existing PC server Platform to get many of the benefits that their own MP64 server delivers. The great news is that the software, while not exactly cheap is pretty reasonably priced and FAAAAR below the cost of the MP64 solution.
Its a great way to dip your toe into their low jitter world.
I will try it and give some feedback here later.
I have had all of the Laufer Technik software on my PC and have discovered startling differences in the music that come through my computer. You can start off with a little or a lot and it makes a difference from the very start. I had the pleasure of getting to know Mark Porzilli through him installing his software on my PC. The first set of software goes under the proprietary name Ideas and it comes in three stages. If you can get those three pieces first as that is when you will notice the differencies first. Mark makes a special partition on your hard drive and installs the software there. If you want to just listen to files already on your pc just drag and drop the file to the hard drive and be blown away by the difference in the sonics. Oh I must say also that the software needs solid state hard drives to work properly as platter hard drives are full of jitter and therefor not anywhere near as good sonically. You can though store files on an older drive but just remember to drag a file you want to hear on to the special drive. The new partition uses a defractionalised formatting which is another of Laufer Teknik’s software and as I say when it is all put together it really is a sound you can quickly get used to. There are other things you can get done to your PC and again it involves Mark going on to your machine and sorting out your processor in a way that puts music first, and all superfluous Windows programs and apps are halted with again massive differences in clarity and reproduction. I would advise that you use a separate HDD for your music drive and another HDD for your internet and other day to day work.I have been using the software for over a year now and I can’t begin to tell you the difference it has made to my musical enjoyment. I listen to BBC Radio 3 classical broadcasts and when I listen to the standard I Player and then when I download the same program onto my Defracked Hard Drive it is a totally different audio experience. I remember the first set of Ideas that was put on my pc and I then started listening to files I already had on the PC. I nowadays listen to music through headphones only and on that first night the levels of detail I was getting was incredulous , also I was sitting there with a huge smile on my face and my wife thought I had finally lost it.
I really love Mark and Sam’s software and if you want to create a super DAW you should check out the software for yourself.
Hi toetapaudio, et all. Unfortunately, I don’t have any experience with the platforms you are using or Laufer Teknik any-jitter technology run outside of their platform. That said, it makes sense that employing their tech on other well wrung out platforms would yield good results. After all, their product is at hart a specialized computer. Since I purchased my MP, I have upgraded various components within it and with each change to the already great sounding platform things have gotten better. Power supply upgrades have been particularly effective! I’m not sure how I would go about upgrading these things on my own but Sam Laufer offers custom power supplies for the sound cards and DACs in his MP, so it would follow that they could be employed in other systems as well but you would have to contact him and ask about it. Sam is a really nice and knowledgeable guy and easy to work with. The other thing I have done is to upgrade my power cord to one from Snake River Audio and internal SATA cables to well shielded custom ones from Pachanko. I’m pretty novice at tweaking audio PC but have just done some of the same things that I would try with any piece of Audio gear, which is to say improve power quality and reduce EMI noise. Power delivery tweaking has really been a great opportunity for me to wring a lot more performance out of my system. One of the other things I have done, which makes an inexplicable positive difference on my digital streaming sound, is to upgrade the power supply and power cord on my Verizon FIOS gateway/router. It sounds nuts to suggest that upgrading the power supply at that point would make a difference but think of it as upgrading the power supply to a digital source. I got the idea from another Audiogon member and it is discussed elsewhere in this forum. I’ll find and post a link for you.
Sorry, I can’t find the thread on upgrading router power supplies but it was pretty simple. Here is an excerpt from an email conversation I had with a friend, which elaborates on the topic:
Digital gear responds very well to better power, be it a good power filter, power cord or dedicated power supply. You heard what a big difference just changing the one power cord on your Simaudio streamer/DAC made. The router/gateway device is at heart a piece of digital audio gear when you stream music to your high end system through it. Using a power supply to drive this piece of gear that has more to it than the bare data transfer minimum of the OEM wall wart just sounds better. Is it because there is a 2 pound transformer in it rather than a 2 ounce one? Or, is it the added ability to use an audiophile power cord and fuse - or a sum of all these things? I don't know, but Iknow it sounds better. Better bass, imaging, pretty much everything. I can't believe I never thought of this before now! The power supply is about $60, with the plugs, etc., a few bucks more. Though you will need a volt/amp meter and soldering iron if you don't have them. If you are running a G1100 wireless gateway/router, from FIOS, you need a 3.5MM X 1.35MM DC power plug. The whole build is just making two solders to wire on the end of the plug, setting the appropriate voltage inside the power supply by turning a little dial until 12V is reached on the multi-meter, and connecting it all up.
Anyway, this may be pedantic to some of you but it was pretty interesting to me that it made a difference and directly related to one aspect of getting good sound from computer based audio.
I started using the MP in 2010, and upgraded to the MP64 16-core summer 2017. Huge difference (including using as a preamp). I tried to best it (within my budget) on LP... Nakamichi Dragon CT, ZYX Universe II, Silent Source Music Ref 2 Phono Cable, Aesthetix IO Signature w/ 2 separate power supplies, lots of NOS tubes, etc... recording on MP64 at 32-215 verse RED CD upsampled to 32-196. I can then very quickly A-B compare the files. The upsampled CD still better sounding. One of these days, I will record all my LP’s, sell LP gear, and upgrade to 32-core. Hope this helps.
I have been using the MP in various iterations through the last several years. I can definitely echo the above comments that the unit has just gotten better and better with each iteration.
However the latest version 2018 is just amazing...
and I have listened to music systems all my life!
Funny that you mention the 2018 version, as I’m sending my player in to Laufer Teknik to be fully upgraded to the newest specs in a few weeks. I’m doing the 32 core processor on the new motherboard, new OS, new DAC and a highly upgraded internal power supply after the ATX. I’m already pretty happy with my player but Sam has assured me the new setup is a significant advancement over what I have now. I can’t wait to get the upgrade done.
Wow! Sounds even more amazing. I think I have the 16 core with the new motherboard and OS/DAC.
Since I am having a difficult time getting hold of Sam, may I ask MP owners: Do you run the IDEAS alignment tool and the RAM tool intermittently yourself? Does it help? Thank you.
Sam and Mark spent a significant amount of time getting the latest automatic slot technology on my machine and doing a health check. This is why I stick with them.
I am thinking of trying the software and perhaps a Mini.
Has anyone experience with the Mini?
I have the Mini. Have had it for about a year. Love it. It is more analog-like than any digital I have heard. Better emotional connection, less digital grain, excellent lead and decay. Service from Sam has been unbelievably great. He helped me many times when I first bought the unit and never did I get the impression that taking his time irritated him. He was always enthusiastic about his product and helping me to get the most out of it. I recently had a very bizarre problem occur with Windows that required sending the unit back to have everything reinstalled. I took the opportunity to upgrade his software to the latest versions. Hopefully will have it next week. When I bought the Mini, he told me it would get me to about 75% of the MP. I am now saving my pennies to make the upgrade!
Hi Sumo, I don’t have any experience with the Mini but all of Laufer’s products sound great that use their jitter reducing tech. That said, my full size Media Player’s case is just about packed with all of the upgrades available for the larger case. Power buffering is particularly important in achieving the best digital playback and the larger case allows for a lot more of that. Once your in the full size case, there are a lot of options! I just upgraded to the 32 core and made many other changes. One of the things Sam is most excited about right now is another advancement that his partner Mark has made in further reducing jitter, I’m sure he will have some news about it on his web site soon.
I have the absolute latest upgrades on my memory player and I might be interested in selling it. I haven't decided whether I will sell it yet but if you knew someone who might have an interest I could list it on this site. I sent it back to Sam to install all of the latest software and drives. We are in the process of loading all of my music from my 4tb Synology NAS.
Can I ask Holland....what is your main source for your music? Streaming? Tidal? Spotify? CD's? Are you using JRiver? Do you find it easy to use?
@willgolf, I know someone who might be interested. PM me.
@sumo and OP,
I just put in an order for a Mini. Sam is getting it ready.
I recently bought a Memory Player 64 and I'm still learning about all of its features. But I'm very happy with how it sounds. I'm listening primarily to ripped CDs that I've copied over into the MPs drive, and I also use Tidal occasionally. I find this to be a very technical product with many settings and ways to store and play back your music, and I'm also new to JRiver. Is anyone aware of a forum that discusses MP user settings and tips for getting the most out of the machine?
I got the Mini last year, but things got crazy and I didn't have time to get things set up. When I did, Sam was busy.
By that time he was ready, I was getting busy again.
So, I am still waiting for him to get things organized. He did install some updates, but never gave me any advice on how to use them.
I did kind of change things by asking to set up the Mini for streaming as well as trying to use it to network to my second system in the house.
Poor little Mini is looking at me from my desk waiting to be plugged in...
I may be able to help you get started....
davepetrie9 at yahoo dot com
I will contact you.