Has anyone out there listened or own any new Krell Pre-amp?, if so, what are your impressions? |
Thankyou for your reply JMCgrogan2, very interesting your post is to me, I have never listened to a Krell KRC-HR, so you was a great asset, with a good explaination. |
Matjet, when was your evo 707 made?, is that a home theatre proccesor that is a pre-amp as well for two channel?, what was the sound that you did not like with the krell kct?, cheers. |
I agree John, But there is a great synergy between Tara Labs and Krell Equipment, even the model, The one, cable system sounds great on my krell amp when I was uesing it. |
Matjet, I am going to E-mail you through audiogon mail, cheers |
Matjet, check your audiogon E-mail, cheers. |
Thankyou Knghifi, Have you listened to the EVO 202, The Phantom, The reference 707 proccesor, or the Evo 2 pre-amps, These are said to be light years better than the pre-amps you have mentioned, that is funny you said that about the Transparent speaker cables on krell equipment, I have been told the same for years! |
Matjet, check your E-mail. |
Matjet, You have a very good system, Krell told me that your EVO 707 retailed for around $30,000.00?, if that is in the ball park, I would expect the 707 to desamate the KCT for sure, do you use the 707 for two channel only, or do you run the 7.1 channels it offers?, your post was a great read BTW. |
all can chime in on this subject here, I know there is many that have had exsperience with krell pre-amps, new or old pre-amps, I look forward to your impressions, Thankyou. |
Matjet, where are you, I appreciate your input, you know quite alot here, if you can find time to respond to both of us here, I would be gratefull, Thankyou. |
How would a Krell Evo 202 pre-amp compair to a krell EVO refence 707 processor?, or the phantom? |
Hi, This could be a great discussion here if there could be some replys, for the worse or best, a fan of krell or not, I am looking for the community's opinion here, thankyou. |
Thankyou for your reply, have you listened to a KRC-HR unit?. |
Thankyou JMCgrogan2, what was the sound of the KRC-HR that you did not like?, I like tube equipment too, I am wanting to know what is the best all time favorite Krell pre-amps, did you try anything else by krell that was a pre-amp? |
Matjet, I'm sold!, I believe all that you have said here, I just researched all the proccessors krell has ever made, including the new foundation, which takes me to the question, Is krell ever going to return to the type of high-end such as your Reference Evolution 707 proccessor?, as it turns out, the krell info states the same, that the 707 is right under the Evo 2 pre-amp, I bet this 707 would be a good fit for my modded Krell 700cx amp!, Matjet, what have you seen the used market bare for pricing for one of these 707 proccessors? |
Matjet, Is your model 707 have the 3-D up-grade or did it come like that?, well, It seems that these are bringing $13,000.00 to $15,000.00 on the used market, I do not understand as to why krell is doing down market now?, if they can make a pre-amp like the EVO 2 and the pre-amp section of the 707 and just re-badge it under another model, how come they do not do it?, I also read the many reviews of your EVO 707 and the EVO 2, it's like they believe nothing is better by any other brand for pre-amps!, very impressive, so since I dis-like all pre-amps, this 707 should be the one to give a spinn, I have found nothing better than running direct to amps, all other pre-amps change the sound to their flavor of coloration, which is a bummer! |
Matjet, man, what a great response, Thankyou, that was informative, Thankyou for the kind words on my Krell 700cx, as a matter of fact, krell has it right now, be back by the end of next week, they are going to ship it back monday, they had to do some proccessor ajustments on the left side of the amp, before that, I put 225 hours on it, It's a brand new modded krell 700cx inside and out, me and the wife droped a huge amount of money into the amp, it has 2014 capacitors that was not available in 2005 when the amp was made, then krell changed all kinds of crazy parts inside other than just the caps, you should see the bag of parts they sent back, The amp sounds way,way, better than any stock krell 700cx I have listened to, the amp is essentially new inside and out,The treble is the most prolific grainless, non brittle treble I have ever had the pleasure of hearing, and the mid-range is uncanny, to sum it up, the amp sounds like we got alot more costly amp product than what it retailed for, we are Happy, estatic, dancing around like we are young again when playing the amp, sorry, I lost my self in the joy the amp has brought us, my bad, I have never listened to cast connections, I know quite abit about it though, however, I would be very amused if nordost cast cable connected to cast could out perform my interconnect that I am useing, likly, impossible!, cheers. |
matjet, what do you use for digital? |
Matjet, you do got my interest going to want the 707 unit, do you believe the krell 707 can compete with world class state of the art solid state pre-amps out there?, if so, I might can ride off into the sunset with such a product and not look back like you, what a system you have! |
matjet, I forgot to tell you why krell had to do adjustments, you guessed it, the amp was way to hot on top of the amp on the left side, caused the bias to run wild!, they have tested the amp for 3 whole weeks, when they did all that they did to my amp, they put all new proccessors inside of it, I suppose the one on the left channel was not working correctly after 225 hours of use, I got to get to 500 hours before the amp is fully burned-in,I will get back to that by thursday of next week, cheers. |
All members, post your thoughts about some of the best Krell pre-amps you have owned or listened to, I appreciate your input if any of you can find the time, Thankyou. |
Hi Matjet, I do have dedicated lines for my audio system I installed my self, was not an easy job,I am in the proccess of going Furutech GTX-D Gold oulets, when I install the new outlet on the krell, I will be taking the 20 amp breaker out and installing a new 30 amp breaker, Patrick highly recommended the 30 amp, said the amp will sound slightly better with sound stage, importantly, Patrick said the amp will run smoother with more current and become effortless with it's performance, my dedicated lines I installed are 10 gauge 3/1, these lines should take what ever is thrown at them, interesting though, vh-audio carries cryo treated lines for dedicated applications, Matjet, are you saying the verizon has a t.v. cable service?, I have never heard of them having that service here where I live, that was some good info too, I do not believe I would need a EVO 2 pre-amp, the 707 for two channel is what I would want it for, If I did get one, I would go back and fourth between a second system that I will be building in the future that I have the cables for to get the home theatre potential out of the unit, maybe, may be a big under taking installing and reinstalling the unit?, I envy your system!, I believe you can get far more performance out of what you have with better cables, if you have questions on what I am getting at, just ask, I am not a dealer, nor do I work for any audio company, my interconnect is balanced, I am told the Esoteric K-01 takes a very long time to burn-in with because of all the settings, The K-01 is considered the one to beat here on the community forums, it's a world class unit, congrats on such a state of the art player, what are you useing for speaker cables?, how long are they?, what speakers do you have? |
come on John!, You like Tara labs yourself,, Matjet has an incredible system and needs one of the top three models from Tara labs to be startled in a way he has never heard his system, I use krell as he does, Tara labs has Awsome synergy with krell, Esoteric, anything that is world class such as matjet's equipment! |
Matjet, you are full of suprises, I will look into your site you posted above, not sure of getting a good sound would warrant such a costly system, the dimishing returns are very small after $75,000.00 total investment in the entire system to me, I enjoy talking to you very much, you have taught me alot here, I will put the 707 on my bucket list for sure, a worthy target to grace my system, I will be getting one, how long it will take me all depends, currently, I am going after the new on the market, Tara labs Evolution Omega speaker cables 6ft pair, after that, I will get the matching new Evolution Zero interconnect, currently, I have the original Tara Labs Zero Gold Interconnect with HFX grounding station which was the latest version of this interconnect, mated with the Omega Gold speakers cables and the Tara Cobalt power cord with oyaide terminations done at the Tara factory that is on my digital temporary player, Even with the up-grade to the better cable, I will not sale what I have, there keepers, to profound to me on my Krell amp or in general, when I said I envey your system, I am serious, your system is Awsome!, this may be a bit of news to you, did you know that Esoteric is coming out with some new players?, The K-01x and the K-03zx, they are saying that the technology is trickled down from the flag ship digital top seperates,there may be up-grade availability to current K-01 players, I am not sure yet, worth looking into, cheers. |
Matjet, yes, I agree with john, enjoy your daughters wedding, however, man Have I really enjoyed your talking to you, I have sincerly learned alot about newer Krell equipment, newer, meaning I know about the KRC-HR, KCT, etc..., please do not forget to get back to this thread, BTW, I talked to patrick this morning 8-27-14 about the EVO 202, The phantom, The 707, and The Evo 2 preamps and my amp's delivery in time for Tara Labs package of speaker cables for me to do a review on them, I am quite excited about it, Thankyou so much matjet. |
I'm sorry Jmcgrogan2,welcome to the thread, I value your comments as well, you are about pre-amps, the good, the bad, and the ugly, with all pre-amps, you still use tube based pre-amps? |
Hi Mat, Patrick said, the Evo 2 was one thing, however, I could not believe why he said that EVO 202,Phantom, 707 sounded to close to matter to him for two channel, you do not think he gave up on caring about this stuff do you< he told me he has no system anymore, he also knows I'm a musician, so he told me of the 14 guitars and marshall tube stack amp and cabinets with 8 12"s!, hey, nothing wrong with that at all, he has the real deal. |
I am sorry matjet, days later with all that i have going on, I realized I made a mistake here, My last post was about Ray mulchler the service manager there at krell, Not patrick, it's ray that is the musician with all the guitars that gave me his opinion on the krell pre-amps, opps! |
Hi Matjet, What is you Budget?, You can go statement cables, Then above the middle of the range of the line up, or budget cables that with your esoteric system that would not be a good choice since your system is revolutionary!, do you think it is best to E-mail all this?, I am not a dealer, nor do I work for any audio company, I am just a musician that loves music and the means to hear it in my home, cheers. |
when johnathan Scull did a review of Tara labs model, The one, back many years ago in 1996, The whole damn sterophile magazine at the time gave the system he reviewed best for that year, BTW, The equipment used was the krell FPB 600, Krell ETC.., I have mated krell and Tara labs My whole life!, that year, The tara labs, The One, was the top model of cables from tara labs at that time, cheers. |
Matjet, If your statement had any realality to it, there would be no such thing as cables that are world class, there would be no need for them!, In the real world scheme of things, those that own such cables hear a huge performance difference, yes of course you would to have atleast good speakers and componets, but there it ends, I can take an average priced very good sounding system, insert incredible performance cables and out perform alot costly speakers and componets, hands Down, no problem, I have been doing this in audio stores for years, watching them go from laughing to nearly crying when I snatch their money out of there hand from a bet they lost! |
Matjet, hey, I am not against you here at all!, do what ever makes you happy, But krell?, really?, I talked to them about cables numerous times!, They believe their stock power cords is all someone will ever need, they do not know squat about real High-end cables, nor do they care!, that is what they told me!, and to tell you the truth here, most componet makers do not care a whole lot about esoteric cables!, I know right now a componet maker that believes his $250.00 interconnect that he makes himself can perform as well as any ultra exspensive interconnect, mmmm, what am I supose to think here?, I hear what my cables sound like daily and know what I am hearing, does not really matter what they believe or say, think, etc... |
John-JMcgrogan2, Come on!, I have proof here that will certainly back my claims!, not a problem, this has nothing to do with an opinion, better sound is better sound, there is no way around it, an example of what I am saying here is I had no idea my modded krell 700cx could sound as transparent sounding as it does, when I burned-in the Tara Labs Cobalt power cord that is on my cd-player, my entire sound became a game changer!, The amp passes this incredible transparency to my suprise, it was like putting the Tara power cord on the amp, I will never use stock power cords again!, I am so impressed for the first time with aftermarket power cords in general, I will be making a Bold jump in the near future to the Brand new Evolution Omega Power cord to try on the amp?, I do not believe the cd-player needs a better power cord, I would say for the cd-player, Done! |
your kidding!,really!, please come to my house A.S.A.P., I will be gladly to show you a game changer!, I am serious!, you can come now, I will e-mail you my addresse, phone number, what ever you need to show you what I am saying here. |
Hi joecasey, The JBL-L7 speakers are fine, They make me and my family Happy here, I have looked at some new speakers, However, I do dont care to spend in the excess of over $20,000.00 on speakers at this time, I believe most so called High-end speakers are over-priced and over-Rated, I remember when I listen the the original wilson audio Grand slams, took pictures with them, they were around $80,000.00 at the time, Huge fricken speakers, Joe, They did not impress me with their sound at all!, The cabinets did and the workmanship of the speakers, but that was all, I also can tell you about listening to one of the speakers that I do like, The Avalon Edilon speakers, wonderfull sound stage and imaging, one of the best I have heard!, I did not care for the spectral equipment that was being used on the speakers, or the smeared sound of the MIT cables!, I put an FPB 600 on these speakers and the Tara labs The one cables on the speakers, kept the spectral digital set-up on the system, which did sound good, and wala!, was alot better in sound!, However, The Avalon Edilons could not be helped in the bass department!, played the Avalon Edilons at a above average listening level, and whoe and behold, The Mid-range driver Blew!, I could not believe this, all this happened at progressive audio in Columbus, Ohio when I use to travel and give seminairs on Resonance control and manipulation, Joe, I have seen all kinds of speakers, I understand that their is alot better than what I have, But at what crazy cost are we talking about here?, I am interested in the JBL Everest DD-66000 speakers or the JBL Everest DD67000 speakers, look at that price tag!, another speaker that has caught my interest is the Rhaidho speakers that are out now, never listened to a pair, have you?, there is a few speakers that I do need to go out and listen to, I am very finiky and picky about speakers, there a;ways seems to be something missing in the sound or reliability of power levels of playback, but you are correct, I do need to go and atleast check some out, Happy Listening Joecasey. |
No Problem Matjet, you can believe that if you want to, I know the Kimber KS-3033 speaker cables are not as good as my recommendation for you, you have a great system, This hobby does take alot of money, if you enjoy your cables, I would not spend the money either, I enjoy your knowledge of Krell, and want to continue talking with you, we can move on to other topics that is not cables, like the topic of this thread, but remeber, Top models of Tara Labs cables will significantly improve your system! |
John, I do not know, however, I just sent him a private message on his sales site asking him who he is?, thankyou for bringing that to my attention. |
How have you been doing anyway john?, other than audio? |
Hi John=Jmcgrgan2, you will never believe this, first off, thankyou!, as it turned out, that is Matthew Bond of Tara labs!, He E-mailed me back and talked about alot of things, he also said he hears my name once a week at the Tara factory, all good!, on those speaker cables, I am the one who publiclally asked for the serial numbers, however, The Omega Gold speaker cables I have here does not have serial numbers!, I could be mistaken, Tara labs started doing the serial numbers That I know of atleast the start of 2012 or 2011, all cables before this had no serial numbers, That is an incredible price for them speaker cables, those are the cables I reffered Matjet to try out, I will attempt to talk to the owner of these speaker cables for you, the good news however is, if they do not have numbers, Tara labs told me they can atleast tell you if they are real if you send them in to factory for a small fee to authenticate, but without numbers, they cannot tell you the month and year they were made, the tuck is doing fine, I am not though, I may have to move, the owner of the house I rent wants to sale the house in may, 2015, put it on the market, well see?, cheers. |
John, I researched the tara labs 0.8 further through out, not the sales listing, but in general, I believe that these cables are real John!, what a fricken steal!, John, If you could swing it, man!, Buy these tara Labs 0.8 speaker cables, I do not believe you will have any regrets, please give them time to settle in your system before you give final impressions, 300 hours at most should do the trick since they have been used before, let me know if you snatch them up, would be great to see you get such a profound deal! |
Hi john, I have the one speaker cables here, they took every bit of 300-350 to burn-in, and the omega Gold takes longer than that, I am just going by my exsperience, I do not use a burn-in cd, just music, continous for 10 to 12 hours a day when I break anything in, at times, give it a day rest to catch my sanity, I may love music, however, I have breaking points to where I enjoy silence, Are you considering jumping on that deal of the 0.8 speaker cables?, If I had the money, I would get them just to have them!, cheers. |
JMcgrogan2, did you try private E-mail to the seller?, I only posted that public question for serial numbers, I am waiting for Matthew to tell me what year Tara Started the serial numbers on cables?, If I do not get an answer from him, I will from my, the real, My boy,Devon Scott of Tara Labs. |
That's ashame!, I believed those cables were going to your house, Is he that stupid that he cannot create a paypal account?, so he said their was no serial numbers?, the seller will not work something out with you to gurantee you for a money refund for cable Authenticity?, cheers. |
waite a minute John!, That seller has sold alot here on audiogon, for total and recent sales, This guy is 100%!, this is something to consider, forgive me, However, I would take the gamble if I were you, does'nt audiogon protect the buyer? |
Zormi, can you add something here to the topic of the thread?, sorry I got off topic here, thankyou. |
Jmcgrogan2, I sent you an E-mail John. |
Hi mclsound, welcome to the thread, I will start by saying that no cables sound the same, and system dependacy is the key, however, when you get to exspereince world class cables, they have a more profound effect than a componet!, kimber is a great product sure enough, but, there is better out there, the merry go around can be endless, I have reached a point, to where my trust has never faulted in a cable company of my choice, which happens to be Tara labs, As i climb the cable food chain, I am in awe all over again, re-discovering my recordings, preference is the key here, you may like one automobile, and I the other, it's all good, keep the faith of high-end audio, everyone has a different method to get where they are going, I sure do!, cheers. |
Does any one have exsperience with the newest Krell pre-amp offerings?, if so, please post some impressions here, Thankyou. |
DFWMEDIAGROIP, Hi, do you believe one can retrieve detail with top cables? |
