KLE Innovations Silver HarmonyRCA's - not silver eh?


OK - so if you have not yet seen it, there are some postings on the web that calls into question the "integrity" of KLE Innovations. Simply because it was believed that the contacts in the Silver Harmony RCA plug should have been made from solid silver.

When those posters learned that this was not the case - they got upset.

One web site has even gone so far as to post photo’s of Harmony RCA’s with the silver coating ground off to display what they believe to be just plain copper.

Theatrics? - YOU BET!

Since I have been a proponent of KLE Innovations products for many years and have posted many reviews and positive comments. I felt it was important to bring this to everyone’s attention to avoid possible misconceptions and future postings that might propagate this kind of nonsense.

Please checkout the KLE Innovations site and read the Brochure and Technical Paper at
https://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/klei-harmony-plug/

I think you will find that nowhere does it state that the Silver Harmony is fabricated from "solid silver".

"Silver Harmony" is just the name given to that model of RCA, which achieves a higher level of performance than the Copper Harmony, but not as high as the Pure Harmony or Absolute Harmony models.

To quote from KLE Innovations documents:
Proprietary mathematical modeling is utilized to produce the Silver Harmony’s ground to signal pin relationship, parameters, and determines the proprietary metallurgical processes that are used.

Note the key word here "Proprietary" - this means KLE Innovations are not about to give away what metals or alloys are used, so stop pontificating and just enjoy their abilities.

What you get is a family of RCA’s that are advanced way beyond the accepted norms of current RCA designs, that are capable of extremely high levels of resolution.

If you want more proof of their abilities simply google "Silver Harmony" and take a look at the number of cable fabricators that use them.

What did grinding off the silver coating achieve? One totally useless set of RCA’s - that’s all.

Regards - Steve

williewonka

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@ypingping - the difference between the various models is in the thickness of the silver coating.

But it's not just about the thickness of the silver coating - KLE Innovations has complex formulas for each plug that pertains to the construction of the pins and the thickness of the copper as well as the silver coating.

I have tried all models of the Harmony RCA and from my ow personal observations...

- The Copper Harmony is a good introduction, but 

- Silver Harmony is my "GO TO" RCA for SPDIF (digital) cables - no need to buy more expensive Pure or Absolute models - they will offer no further improvements in sound for digital signals up to and including 24/192. I have not tried Silver harmony on higher resolutions.

- Pure Harmony - this is a puzzle to me, because in my mind,  if you are going to purchase the Pure Harmony, you might as well spend a little extra and get the Absolute Harmony for the best possible performance

- Absolute Harmony - this is my "GO TO" RCA for all of my analogue cables. It has the best performance of the Harmony Line and well worth their price.

I hope that clarifies things

If you want to read my personal reviews of the Harmony RCA's...
http://image99.net/blog/files/category-klei-copper-harmony-rca.html
http://image99.net/blog/files/category-klei-silver-harmony-rca.html
http://image99.net/blog/files/category-klei-pure-harmony-rca.html
http://image99.net/blog/files/category-klei-absolute-harmony-rca.html

Regards - Steve  


I believe the RCA's were advertised as PurSilver(TM) - which is just a trade-marked name.

Since then KLEI has removed all reference to p[ure silver

It does not alter the fact the Harmony range of plugs are the best on the market right now. They offer incremental improvements from one model to the next that are discernible.

If only other brands could match this performance we'd have some alternatives.

As for the ETI Silver Bullet - I found the Copper Harmony sounded better.
- The Pure Harmony by comparison to the the ETI Silver Bullet is light years ahead in technological achievement and sound quality.

@yping - i believe you have read enough of my reviews to know exactly what I feel :-)

But - I still believe the Harmony RCA's are the best anyone can put on their IC's and Tone-arm leads

Hope that helps
@maxima95 - I stand corrected...
It was advertised as KLEI PureSilver™
I have to agree - most people reading that might "assume" they were solid silver, simply because they do not understand the significance of the (TM) symbol

The TM applies to the name only - i.e. "KLEI PureSilver"
- it was used to signify a higher grade of conductivity than KLEI PureCopper™
- it should not be interpreted as a statement of metalurgical content
- I do agree it was NOT the wisest choice for a name in either case,

Try as you might to persuade otherwise, KLEI’s initial advertising copy was misleading.

I am not trying to to "pursuade otherwise" - in my OP I simply brought the fact that the name "Silver Harmony" had been misinterpreted (and why) to everyones attention

The "KLEI PureSilver™" was a later development and was also a bad choice of "name".

Unfortunately, those names are in place across the many compenies that used the KLEI RCA’s on their cables and getting them to change would be a huge task.

KLEI is not the first company to make mistakes like this and it will NOT be the last.

Were they deliberately trying to mislead?
- I do not believe they were
- I do believe they were trying to be "creative" with naming and it was simply a bad decision to use those names.
- I agree with Yping - their "passion" got the better of them

They have fixed the offending text on their site and would like to move on - I suggest we all do the same

Regards - Steve

@ricevs - Hmmm - well Mr.Ric Schultz of Electronic Visionary Systems (EVS, USA) - where do I start...

They made no effort to correct anyone or reveal the truth until someone filed off the silver of one of the "pure silver" ones and saw it was copper underneath.
Actually - you are incorrect - KLEI has worked with the companies they had sold their RCA;s to in order to correct the issue. Some agreed to make changes - others continually refused ot make changes for some strange reason.

As for ....
I wonder if they asked you or even paid you to come onto this forum and try to do some "damage control"

Is this comment based on your own personal experience of me? - NO!
- KLE Innovations has never asked me or paid me to post on Audiogon or any other forum. I do it willingly to let people know about their superb products.

You will also find posts by me pertaining to products like NAIM 5i mk II, Audiomods arms, Van den Hul cables, Schiit Bifrost, Bluesound Node 2, Gershman Acoustics speakers, Simmaudio Moon, Avantgarde speakers, Pass and Seymour outlets, Furutech cables, DH Labs products - to name but a few - did they pay me also? - NO!

Casting asspersions about other peoples character without any proof to back up your staments serves no purpose - other than to show what kind of person YOU really are..

Without knowing - You are speculating - at best

You are naïve beyond Willey Wonka. he he

Once again - you do not know me.

As for...
After all, you were the first person to review the connectors for them and boosted their sales tremendously. And/or maybe you feel your own reviews/reputation were now in question because of their lies.
I stand by each review - I have no beef with KLEI - they make great products and my system has never sounde so good

I hate to repeat myself, but...

They have fixed the offending text on their site and would like to move on - I suggest we all do the same

Regards - Steve

kid303 - I know a few years back KLE Innovations used a "trademarked" name of "PureSilver" which some people interpreted as solid silver.

Also some cable manufacturers that use the Harmony plugs still incorrectly promote the Silver Harmony RCA as having solid silver pins.

If you look at the KLEI web site you will see that the silver plated copper pins on the Silver Harmony RCA plugs actually have a conductivity rating of >105%, which equals the best solid silver conductors.

Today - I cannot say if the pins on any of the Harmony plugs are actually solid silver or ever have been.

From my own personal Harmony Plug observations - I have tried RCA plugs from Furutech, WBT and Neotech (to name the most popular) and the KLE Innovations Harmony plugs provided the best sound quality of them all.

I have found through over 5 years of development of my own DIY cables that silver plated stranded conductors actually sounded more pleasing than a solid silver conductors.

Also, I found that using a 24 gauge stranded silver plated wire for the signal and a 16 gauge stranded silver plated wire for the neutral provides the best sound quality.

I, like yourself, originally believed solid silver was the best conductor, but my ears have since told me differently.

Why? I do not have an explanation and to be honest I am past caring.

My own cables sound amazing and that’s all that matter to me and the various people that have tried them.

I have also auditioned at length (i.e. over a 3 year period) most of the KLE Innovations cables and found them to be excellent performers, but they do take over 400 hours of burn in to sound their best. Unfortunately, they do go through a "rough patch" at between 24-60 hours of playing time, but they do improve and get much better after around 120 hours of listening.

I have compared them to a few top cables from other named brands and each time they either equalled or exceeded their performance

I am not going to speculate as to whether the intent of some of the "wording choices" on the KLE Innovations web site was a deliberate attempt to mislead the public. Keith Louie Eichman has already been tarred and feathered for that. I also do not defend KLE innovations for the mistakes they have made.

When I do promote their products it is based solely on the sound quality that I have observed through a lengthy audition process that generally lasts between 4-6 weeks and hundreds of hours of burn-in per product.

Hope you find your answer - Steve