Just took delivery of the Red Wine Audio 30.2 and-


...and this thing is quite miraculous really. Have recently had the Lavardin IS Reference and Shindo Aurieges/Montille combo in house played over Living Voice IBXR2's via Auditorium 23 speaker cables with a Lector CDP 0.6T mk. 2 player-- and let me tell you, this little Red Wine punches like Mike Tyson and sings like Callas.
Specifics? Yah-- I got yer specifics right here... tight DEEP bass (I mean it-- frightening!), black backgrounds, wiiiide soundstage (the sidewalls are alive with the sound of music yada yada)Defined/refined treble (supposed to get better with age-- 100 hrs or so). Shall I continue? Thank you.
A breezy user interface, sharp looks, a crisp feel to the volume control/solid build in general and no need for a Fatboy Electraglide mk. 8 SE power cord etc. This amp is thus far dynamic, detailed and refined.
Criticisms? So far a few minor ones. It could be-- and I mean could maybe be... a hair brighter balanced. The treble's all there in spades, though it's certainly a shade darker than the Shindo gear for example (which for my taste-- may be a hair too tipped up tonally-- so what 'the tonal truth' is here... only Harry Pearson knows).
The RWA is punchier and more alive than the Lavardin (as promised by the Vinnster), with perhaps a broader soundstage and a bit more dynamics-- yah--not quite as sleepy-- which was perhaps my only niggle with that otherwise splendid amplifier.
Finally, in the way of niggling, I myself might like even finer gradations on the volume control for those times with a string quartet when you'd like juuuuuust a WEEE bit more volume to make it sound live-- but not a whole lot. Incidentally, the remote is super small and cutie and functions like a charm-- perfect.
Now the kicker--- I have a Manley Stingray enroute to my home as I type this and that comparison should be REAL interesting.
I shall rid myself of the loser, and that means yes-- as phenomenal as this RWA 30.2 is so far-- if tubes give it a sound trouncing-- back to Vinnie it shall go within the alloted trial period (and dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out etc).
I am very interested to hear the tonal differences, as I thought the Shindo stuff would be richer etc. and perhaps the opposite is true. Incidentally- both the Shindo stuff and the RWA are quite pacey and involving-- high on my priority list. Havent listened to many great piano recordings with the RWA as yet-- and this is one of my true tests in terms of tone/density and all that jazz. Perhaps tonight.. I'm praying for density and not just leading edge flash n' tinkle.
But even still-- the sheer convenience of the thing--the elegance/simplicity of the design and the direct and uneventful way in which it goes about the business of DOING its business... is something rare-- certainly at this price point.
It isnt often I like the sonic signature of components a certain Head Moonie recommends (IMHO often a touch on the squeaky clean and bright side or possessed of, to me anyhoo, idiosyncratic tonal signatures-- at least in the past)-- but on this one I wholeheartedly agree. If I were to review the RWA amp in two words or less after only a single day of hearing thing, I would write: NO JOKE.
The RWA 30.2 is thus far cutting a good deal of mustard. One day of ownership though doesnt quite cut the ketchup in terms of the credibility of this opinion and so we shall see what tomorrow holds; the Stingray, the power, pride and prejudice of Evanna Manley and Bob Neill, my own sonic pleasure, and the very existence (in my home anyway) of the RWA amp hang in the balance...

(too much? Dramatic though-- you gotta admit- I was on my lunch hour. Well.. better than just saying Vinnie's a friggin' genius and the RWA is really err.... good so far:)
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So, is Shindo Aurieges/Montille better? What about the Lavardin? Do you think it is a good buy?

Personally, I'm very curious (and it would be fabulous if the amp sounds great) but I need to get over pyschological aspects of buying a tiny chip and a couple capacitors. Perhaps if I could view stereo equipment as listening tools, then I could get past this prejudice.
...okay, I won't push any further. :-) let us know what you think in a couple weeks. so far, I'm getting that Shindo is better and it should be, given the price.

but do let us know your initial thoughts on the Sig to Stingray comparison.

a British zine said that the original Sig 30 struggled a bit in the pace/timing department. but I can't remember if they used a pre with it. I bet that would help.

thanks.
No, it was the original 30.

Never surprised when different amps of different price ranges are found with comparable sound.
Cdc...have you heard the Red Wine? What were your impressions? I'm more interested in live comparisons rather than theoretical.
Cdc....Red Wine's .04% THD is certainly impressive.

I imagine if Red Wine provides frequency range, then he will have provided the same amount of data as other mfgs. I have asked for the FR range on their website. Only way to get FR response is to have John Atkinson review it. All the other magazines/zines are a joke in this area. These days you must listen for frequency aberrations with your ear or have your own test equipment.

Signal to noise ratio...I think it's assumed to be better than anything else out there...but I do not see this spec?

I would like to know the parts (resistors and caps used). Other mfgs will tell you this sort of thing. My guess is the cap upgrade is actually a cheaper product than the previous known cap for the Sig 30 - Jensen. For my taste, I have found the price of capacitors have no relevance to how they sound.

Regardless, the cap upgrade is a simple thing and if one was going to justify the $1K price increase, one must look at the redesign and inflation as the relevent factors (unless extremely pricey V-Caps or Cardas were used, I suppose). In any event, I don't think one is paying for parts when one buys either this one or the chip amp. Is that fair? (though the Patek is much cheaper).
Wow. Nice writeup! From where I sit, I'm not surprised about the Manley. Seems modern tube amps are too bright for my tastes. Seems like Vinni Rossi really did a great job voicing this thing. I am using a Scott LK-48 (7189s in it) and I found the warmer nature of this amp much more suitable to my Gibbons. That amp is no slouch when rebuilt properly with great parts (Hovlands and Jensens) and it beat my previous Primaluna. Although with the mods/restoration, it's a bit brighter than a Scott restored to spec but still warmer than modern amps. It's not as dynamic as the KT88 Primaluna but does everything else better...general musicality, PRaT, and holographic imaging. Thus, I had considered the Stingray simply because it uses EL84/7189 tubes.

One question...did the battery power make a noticeable difference? I am making the perhaps very silly assumption that the Red Wine amp was totally silent and in comparison, the Stingray wasn't.

Your comments are much appreciated.