Just installed a bluesound node 2i , quality not so good


Sounds flat vs streaming from marantz 5014 heos, which is more revealing and open.  Both ways are wired.
Is there a break in period?  Otherwise it is disappointing.

I am listening thru b&w spkrs and mcintosh amp. And wired to analogue inputs of avr

thanks for any comments, suggestions


emergingsoul

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jolida fx tube dac 500-600
border patrol 800
chord 2qute 750
metrum octave or amethyst 500-800
topping d90 700
neko d100 750
rme adi 2 900
ayre codex 900

all under a grand used, all excellent (used prices shown)

if u are using node 2i analog outputs - well then yes, the sound is mediocre at best

most who are serious about good sound quality from streamed sources through the node 2i will use its digital output and run it into an separate dac
@contuzzi

"Have any of you saying the DAC in the Bluesound is soooooo bad ever actually switched between the internal DAC and external dac while listening?"

well yes... of course... it is easy to do as the digital and analog outputs on the node play simutaneously -- otherwise how would one have the proper basis for commenting?  the ONLY way to know is to listen, extended, as well as A vs B, with db levels properly equilibrated

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i started streaming in february when the covid thing made us stay home a lot... i have been a hifi nerd since the 80’s in college, been through countless components and systems, but had procrastinated about streaming music for a few years

since climbing the learning curve on streaming i have now been through half a dozen streamers (no computer streaming) and to this point, fully 20 stand alone DACs from $400 to $4000...  it has been fun, and quite enlightening

the node 2i is a killer product, so well designed, does so much for the money, such excellent user interface (not to be taken for granted), but for what it costs they had to limit cost and performance somewhere, and the DAC is where they did it

having said that, they made a smart choice by making the sound of the internal DAC very smooth and inoffensive (as opposed to ragged and strident), but this occurs at the expense of transparency, transient capability/impact, imaging and ’air’

that is the first thing you notice plugging in a proper dac vs the node dac - like a chord mojo or 2qute or ayre codex or a denafrips ares - so much more richness, texture, speed and clarity in the music (if your system is even reasonably resolving)

as you move up in dacs from there, you more layering, more holographic imaging, more ease and natural flow to the music -- all the while feeling no loss of detail, it is just presented more naturally more effortlessly

a final note -- one thing that is ironic to me with the node is that for $500 they give you full MQA unfolding for Tidal Masters... premise being to get folks to try MQA for modest outlay.... problem is, the node's onboard DAC’s smoothing and cloudiness obscures most of what MQA brings to the party... so, given the success of the Node in its large sales volumes, i'm actually not sure if the MQA proponents are getting their intended marketing boost, or actually the opposite effect of having many with the node question its value...


the nodes have been out there for quite a while, yet folks who claim to be audiophiles, come here and post, still lack an understanding of that the thing is...

folks buy the $500 node 2i think it is an end game thing

not

excellent streamer/ui with a training wheels dac aboard... is what it is...

i personally feel the node 2i/node is a terrific product, you just have to know what it does well and what it does not - it has an outstanding user interface (i still haven’t broken down to go roon yet), and it is a very nice (and exceptionally high value) bitstreamer

knew early on the dac inside was a throwaway, so never bothered to use it, but its spdif digital outputs are very good, and i have found it very useful to have several nodes grouped using the software, and thus delivering multiple identical bitstreams, thus allowing very easy direct a-b-c comparisons of multiple dacs

i tried more expensive streamers from auralic, innuos, aurender, mytek (some had nice dacs onboard, which is part of one pays for, no doubt) and as bitstream sources, try as i might, i could not for hear any sq difference from the node... interestingly, i could actually hear some more (but still subtle) differences across various digital cables than the streamers... 🤷‍♂️

@geof3

i have been told by so many friends/hifi nerd buds that i gotta do roon... it’s funny, we all do silly, illogical things sometimes... i will blow five grand to try a new dac without batting an eye, same to try some hot-sh*t amp, but i just won’t shell out 6 or 7 hundred bucks for a lifetime roon sub out of principle LOL... it is just goofy (maybe i get one of my sons to buy it for me as xmas present 🤣🤣)

@mofojo

you can see my system page at your leisure