Joule, Blue Circle, CAT SL1


Hi,

I need a pre under $4000 that can match Hyperion HT-88 monos into Merlin VSM-MXE speakers.

Looking at Joule 150, Blue Circle BC3000, CAT SL1...can someone tell me the sonics of these? If there are any big differences at all? Also the cheaper the better :)

Phono would be nice and obviously a tape loop.

Regards

Richard
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Showing 2 responses by rayhall

There are many threads on Audiogon where you can get a feeling for the sound of a CAT SL-1 preamp. I have a CAT Ultimate Mk I and have commented on many threads. The sound of a CAT is full, sweet, but not overripe midrange, very dynamic, great bass, perhaps better than any other preamp that I have heard which is, at the same time, deep and powerful. Upper mids and highs are never sharp nor bright. Highs are detailed, clean, but not overly forward. Overall, the unit leans very slightly to the warm side, but has excellent overall balance. It is a unit which is very difficult to make sound bad. It does benefit from careful NOS tube rolling a lot. To summarize: smooth, sweet, lush, but not overripe, delivers the entire frequency spectrum, very dynamic, particularly in the low end.

Faults or flaws? There are preamps out there now which are more transparent, image better and which are nearly noise free. The CAT is not a laggard in any of these categories, but it is not at the top of the list on any of these qualities.

Overall: IMO, still one of the best units out there. It exceeds units that are often talked about on Audiogon. It seems that it suffers because it has been around, in one form or another for so long, so people don't really consider it. The most negative thing that I can say about it is that there are other units which do individual things better than it, but, at least with the Ultimate,
it should be evaluated in view of its overall presentation. There are few units which clearly beat it on an overall basis.
Richard,

At under $4000 used, you should listen to the First Sound Presence Deluxe Mk II. I wouldn't say that it beats the CAT in every respect by a long shot, and it is a different sound, but it is significantly more transparent to my ears than the CAT. CAT is the king of smooth, full, rich sound. I don't agree with Sardonyxx that the Ultimate can sound lean. My guess is that if it sounded that way, he listened to one with either the "wrong" tubes in it or some other component was responsible. On the other hand, the F.S. is detailed and on some material can come close to be on the border of delivering too much information. But with the right tubes, it is excellent at imaging and allowing you to locate vocalists within the soundstage. It does this far better than CAT's, which also throw a huge, wide soundstage, but the instruments are kind of blurred within the stage,at least relative to the F.S. The F.S. may not be a good match with the Merlins, which I have listened to at several shows and have also found to sound very detailed. F.S. has very good bass, and fantastic dynamics, the dynamics even being better than CAT when the right tubes are used, and the CAT has very excellent dynamics. The bass of the CAT is unsurpassed to my ears. It is just gorgeous, deep and full. I own both the CAT and the First Sound 4.0, which is one level up from the normal unit. If you go up the line of F.S. preamps, supposedly it gets better and better. A used F.S. Presence Deluxe Mk II should be considerably less than $4000.00. I'd have to check the current price list, because I remember that a new one was about that price. I think that I bought my F.S.P.D. Mk II 4.0 for about that price, used. Other units you should listen to are Herron, Ayre and Emotive Audio. There may be many other good choices at this price point, but I'll stick to what I have heard and have liked.