|
orpheus10,
I want to hear your answer
|
rok2id, Thanks for that link. That is some smoking New Orleans style jazz. Eric Clapton looks like he's having a great time sitting in with that terrific band ensemble. Did you know that Clapton's bandmates from the super group Cream, Jack Bruce (bass) and Ginger Baker (drums) have both released a few jazz albums. I saw a documentary on Ginger Baker in which he states his 3 biggest influences on the drums were Art Blakey, Max Roach, and Elvin Jones. Sizzling Baker drum solo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1VNOw1JASMFrom Baker's 2014 jazz album "Why?" this is titled "Ginger Spice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PphC5h10Q_AGinger had spent a long time in Africa in the early 70's and embraced their culture as he was obsessed with their music and the percussion rythm which is evident in the above song. |
|
acman3, I only listened to disc one last night and the recording was remastered as good as one could, I think, from the source tapes. Very open soundstage and separation of the instruments. I will listen to disc 2 next Friday and compare it. My listening night is Friday as my sound room set up is quite loud and I had to make a compromise with my wife. Other nights I use my Sennheiser headphones so I cannot do an apples to apples comparison until next Friday. The wifey does not appreciate all of the walls in the house shaking when I listen to my jazz in straight stereo or mono with my JBL dual subwoofers and the front R/L towers at -15-20 db. |
|
I think frogman made a lot of good points and I agree with him. Not trying to start a war here but if you blindfolded any jazz aficionados, man or woman of any race and played many different variants of jazz, (songs they were not familiar with) they would never be able to tell what race the musicians are. |
rok2id your right "never" was the wrong word. I should have written "the majority" |
**********Roy Eldridge makes the claim that he can tell the difference between a black player and a white player merely by listening. Leonard Feather gives Roy a blindfold test. Roy fails.******* Thanks acman3 for that tidbit. All in all it would seem 1951 was a great year for jazz! |
Ginger Baker in a drum solo duet with one of his idols Art Blakey. As I mentioned in an earlier post his top 3 influences on the drums were Blakey, Max Roach and Elvin Jones. Of course, being influenced by, and playing in style firmly rooted in jazz, he was an extraordinary drummer and far better then much of his contemporaries in the rock and roll genre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qghrsBfSbgkThis video is slightly more focused then the above. And I do mean SLIGHTLY! I wish I could have been there. |
More from Ginger Baker. This is his trio sessions with Bill Frisell on guitar and Charlie Haden on bass. These 3 videos are from the same concert at the jazz festival in Frankfurt Germany. On the 3rd video Baker solo’s from 9 minute mark to 12:30, showing why he was such a highly regarded drummer of multiple genres of music. Circa 1995. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql6iGLZL14whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCUWusjBxQc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVF50PI3db4Would other members like to share video's of other jazz drummers playing a kit with 2 bass drums as Baker does here as the majority of jazz drummers use a kit with one bass drum. In the first minute of the solo you can see both of Bakers legs pounding the pedals!...It was said that on some occasions his bass drums were nailed or screwed into the floor! |
Well how about it frogman, could you ignore rok2id and orpheus10 for a sec and weigh in on Baker? |
East coast west coast, black/white, soul or no soul, rythm or no rythm.....I think its all a good and worthy debate. At the same time I did post some Ginger Baker jazz songs and Baker and his idol Art Blakey doing a drum duet. Black and white, both at the top tier of drummers in the world, playing off each other in and enjoying every moment. Both have cigarettes in their mouths with an inch of ash hanging off!
Can you guys lay off the debate for a second and let me know what you think of Bakers foray into jazz music?
|
orpheus10 thanks for taking the time to insert that link for It "Never Entered My Mind." during your debate.
I had forgotten how truly beautiful that song is.
|
Thanks acman3 for all the links. My favorite versions are the ones I have in my music library. Which are the Miles Davis, Chet Baker, and Stan Getz versions. Out of the vocal versions I favor Julie London. Wait a minute, I have that disc also. Maybe I'm being biased to what's in my collection. |
Forgive me if this has been discussed here, but I’ve searched the thread and not turned this up ...... Jammin’ at Condon’s ..... a jazz "(semi-) jam session"
That is considered "Dixie Land" jazz (I believe?). Great stuff I listened to the whole album. Thanks acman for posting it. |
nsp, Thanks for the audiophile review of the vinyl LP's of Shelly Manne and His Men Live at the Blackhawk. I'm glad they were engineered and pressed properly.
The discs in the remastered 4 disc set which includes volumes 1-4 plus 5 ie: "the bonus tracks," Are awesome. I have already described the sound of disc one as best I could and this Friday will have a listening session with disc 2, 3, and 4. |
nsp, cool being a fellow Long Islander I would like to hear that. If not here my email is [email protected] |
|
acman3 Thanks for your input on the Ginger Baker jazz recordings. I think Motian or Higgins would have put their own excellent touch to it on the drum kit.
I have an eclectic taste in music and listen to just about everything. When Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, and Ginger Baker got together to create the supergroup Cream, They played and recorded some very special music albeit in the rock/blues genre.
Baker was an animal on the kit!! |
Check this out...Art Blakey with Billy Cobham and Simon Phillips 1982.... Ass kickin’!! Art is like Yea boy’s bring it on I’m game!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBSxNNxtKtgAt 8:20 its like go Art go!!...I know so many drummers that idolize Art Blakey! |
frogman thanks for your candid opinion on Ginger Baker. To my ears he sounds pretty good in that jazz trio and his other jazz ensembles. Charlie Watts?!?..... THE Charlie Watts of The Rolling Stones?... I thankyou for that I never knew! http://www.rollingstones.com/artist/charlie-watts/I will get back to everyone when I have time busy work week ahead! |
|
acman3, Thanks for the Michael Shrieve link.
I just purchased that session and another one called "Two Doors"
|
nsp, I'm glad you located a vinyl copy with the bonus tracks from tha Blackhawk sessions. As I previously stated I will listen to tracks from the discs 2, 3, and 4 from my set this Friday night and compare the sound quality to disc 1. |
nsp, I agree about Art Pepper, By the way I’m also a completist when it comes to Art Pepper recordings and exchanged emails with his widow Laurie about 6-7 years ago when she started the "Unreleased Art" project to get out as much of his post heroin addiction years in the mid to late 70’s and early 80’s. I have read "Straight Life" myself and it is a wonderful book.
Stan Getz was not only a wonderful reader of sheet music but also had a photographic memory. I read his autobiography many years ago and IIRC Jack Teagarden took him out on the road when he was 16 or 17, much to the chagrin of his school truancy officer who paid a visit to his family. After Jack auditioned him, He liked his command of the tenor sax and his ability to read music. Stan played a few of the regulars Jack was playing during his concerts and the first show Stan played when the songbook was put in front of him he flipped it aside!!
|
pryso, "I'll guess not everyone here enjoyed your "Detroit" tale as much as I did." I enjoyed it very much. Was getting around to posting on it. 1965 was a good year for a lot of things. It was the first year Chevrolet put a big block motor in a Corvette. Yep, 396 cubic inches putting out 425 H.P. James Carter recorded a session at Bakers where he plays a great interpretation of Oscar Pettiford's Tricotism. More up-tempo!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0pxYD45NB8A young JC at blowing the roof off the joint at Jazz Baltica with a soprano, He gets sounds out of that thing that only John Coltrane could have!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5QFkdrWHpIAnd here is an older (and heavier) James Carter paying homage to John Coltrane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDDTA97Yf9o Listen to the music and read the first handful of replies on all 3 links and you'll know why he is my favorite modern sax player still playing. I am not the only one who feels this way |
By the way I have posted some good jazz stories before about my times at the NYC jazz clubs and got zero replies. I will repost my latest one and see if that changes : )
I see Gary Bartz in the Isle of Wight festival link acman3 posted and it brought back a great memory I have of meeting him.
I was at a Lou Donaldson gig about 7 years ago at the Iridium NYC and when I left after the first show I saw Lou at the burger joint upstairs out on Broadway (Iridium is on the corner of 59th and Broadway). So I walk in and sit down at his table and we just start talking. Mostly about boxing, baseball (Lou is a big fan of both as am I), and music.
The time flew by and then one of the employees from the club sticks her head in the doorway and shouts "Mr. Lou your second set starts in a minute." Lou asks me am I watching the second set and I say no don’t have a reservation so he invites me down to sit on the side of the stage right up on the left side just out of view of the audience. People were packed in like sardines in a can in that joint so my leg hit one of them small (and quite wobbly) tables on the way up there and spilled everybody’s drinks. Mr. Lou said don’t worry bout that crap!
I watched the show then afterwards Sweet Papa Lou (as he is known as) takes me into the band and staff room. I talked for another half hour or so with Lou and the band and a few other people that were back there. When I left I shook hands with everyone and I asked one guy I didn’t recognize his name. He says "Gary Bartz pleasure meeting you." Well needless to say he was much older and did not look the same but I still felt like an ass for not recognizing him.
|
|
orpheus10, I’m surprised I have not heard from you regarding Lou Donaldson. Grant Green played on some of his Blue Note sessions. |
nsp,
"But he still sounds to me more like a rock drummer than a jazz drummer."
I agree. However his 3 biggest influences and idols were Art Blakey, Max Roach, and Elvin Jones.On the duet he does with Blakey his expression says it all. It was like a dream come true for him. Of the 3 influences he does sound more like Blakey then Jones or Roach. Blakey has a tendency to "pound aggressively" on the skins as does Baker but Baker tries to "break the skins" on almost every session whereas Blakey occasionally sounds this way and has a softer touch and feel which meshes better in the jazz genre.
|
pryso, I liked the Monk piece a lot. I own a lot of Monk recordings but not that one. One of the commenters below the video is a musician and gave a link to a piece he wrote. I think its really a nice piece of work. Here is the comment and link: The man who arranged these marvelous arrangements is Hall Overton who was also my teacher at the Juilliard School which of course I am highly grateful for. I however had to study Bartok and Stravinsky and not Monk. He instead inspired me to write this piece. click on link then click "go to site" https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amrod.de%2Fmp3%2Fhomage-to-monk.mp3&redir_to... |
pryso,
"pjw, more Monk arranged by Overton? Hope you have this one then"
No I have 15 Monk discs all with quartets or quintets and 5 live small group sessions as well.
I added those Monk big band sessions to my bucket list of discs to buy.
|
frogman, "enjoyed the story re Lou Donalson. And like his playing a lot. Nice clip with the little talked about Tommy Turrentine, brother of Stanley. I like the other alto player you met that night also" Thanks, unfortunately I think Lou’s age finally caught up with him. I’ve not seen him live since 2015. Gary Bartz plays very well. I recently purchased this disc which is 2 recording sessions on one disc for a great price: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DFI5/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1orpheus10, "pjw, I liked your story about Lou Donaldson, he was my first favorite jazz artist, and I have been following him every since; he also likes to play with some of my other favorite artists; like Baby Face Willette and Grant Green." Thanks Orpheus. Lou’s getting old as I mentioned above as I think he hit the 90 mark in age and has not been playing live in recent years. He loves to be a comedian in between songs and I always enjoyed seeing him perform. I pray his health is ok as I pray for you as well. |
pryso,
You had me listening to my Monk discs all last night!
I ordered the Live at Town Hall, Big Band and Quartet in Concert, and All Monk: The Riverside Albums (16 disc box set)!!
|
nsp, I really dig that Basie clip!...sax player was gettin' it! |
acman3,
I thank YOU for that Basie clip, sorry I got that wrong!
|
nsp, Thanks for correcting that. Lou was great to see live. As you know he was at first a big disciple of Charlie Parker as were a lot of sax players. In the 60’s Lou started to get into a blues- soul/gospel funky type jazz and his stuck with that since. Every time I saw him live he played a tune called "Whiskey Drinking Woman". He would joke around with the audience before, during, and after that song. Mike Francesa, the sports talk jockey on NBC NY used to answer calls from Lou all the time concerning sports. Whiskey Drinking Woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCsZ0beofEUCheck out Dr. Lonnie Smith at 5 minutes in!..Lou's vocals are very good for the blues |
nsp,
Just finished listening to the whole of disc 2
Cabu and Gem From Tiffany sound just as good as disc one.
Blue Daniel, Whisper Not and the others sound as good as disc 1.
I'm sorry do not have vinyl to compare with you but I love the recordings on disc!
|
Art Pepper live at the Village Vanguard with Elvin Jones, George Cables, and George Mraz....If you can’t play this tune, the bible of jazz, and play the crap out of it....don’t play!....**Cherokee**
Its all good!!
|
pryso,
" But I would never pretend to proclaim any one album as the best in creation."
I agree with you 100%. I detest debates over who was the best at this or that instrument, or the best album. If it is "YOUR" favorite that is all that counts. Jazz critics like Stanley Crouch never understood this.
|
Happy Labor Day! I agree with everyone about John Park. Simply amazing talent! Thanks nsp for those links. I’m going to try and hunt down that one recording you say he did! frogman that Cosby link was hilarious. I was having a few drams of bourbon last night and playing a lot of Art Pepper. As you all know Art always had substance abuse problems. In his autobiography Straight Life he writes about those 3 nights of recordings at the Village Vanguard. He was up every night looking over the arrangements while snorting Cocaine. The fact that he never slept those 3-4 days/nights and still sounded great is beyond my comprehension! Fast forward on this link to the 8:28 mark. An interview with Art. At the 12 minute mark Art explains how he always makes sure to play standards that the audience are accustomed to before playing something radically different like the song "The Trip" because after hearing and enjoying what they like they will be more receptive to something not "ordinary" to them. That part of the interview is where rok2id needs to pay attention!!… A little labor day sarcasm! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn8VzO-KbfQ |
I had no luck finding that 1 album nsp mentioned that John Park put out.
Any recommended recording sessions that he played on will be greatly appreciated.
|
I have not seen anyone post the great Chris Potter playing on this thread since I started participating so I though I would throw this spectacular live clip out there. Dave Holland doing his thing behind Chris never stops smiling! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gqgdE4qZGg |
Thanks frogman for those links. Man that cat could play a sax! I don’t have a vinyl collection but if I was into vinyl I would shell out the money and buy that. Well worth it. I guess they never pressed a CD of it. Stan Getz wrote about Park: "John was in possession of an inordinate amount of technique and excellent sound, and most important - SOUL" Liner notes from the John Park LP "If Winter Comes:" http://www.searanchimageshost.com/stankenton/jpark.htm |
|
|
|
frogman,
I have Larry Willis' Inner Crisis album and yes, he can get funky. He is one of those relatively unknown musicians that plays on hundreds of albums and a multitude of genres. He plays them all exceptionally well.
The gig at Smoke starts on the 19th (Friday). That is the night I'm going. First show.
|
frogman, Great links. I really dig Cannonball and Sam Jones is another outstanding bass players from that era. The following features Percy Heath on bass, also from that era and also outstanding. Milt Jackson shines on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDnIQ1JPcCU |
