Frogman, I looked at his Bio. and discovered he was self taught, which meant he was truly gifted.
Not long ago, I was telling another professional jazz musician that my friend was one of the best ever. "He was good, but he wasn't that good", was the musician's Reply. "I'll show him", I thought.
In order to prove my point, I bought every record and CD I could find by my friend, but none of them was as good as the music I remembered that summer. This caused me to reflect back on that time. He played like a man obsessed at every performance. I never have, and still don't like it when a musician plays a lot of notes/music like crazy, but when he did it, the music was coherent.
That was a long time ago, and I discovered he never recorded anything else after that summer, before he died. The music I heard, was new music that he was working on; the only place it's recorded is in my mind.
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Rok, if the sound is good, I'm going to buy it. |
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Acman3, don't be sorry for the rant; put up or shut up. Now that we have "You tube", play like we're from Missouri and show us.
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Rok, the sound quality is good, but that's more music than you would want by almost any artist; however, that's the only way you'll get some of the music. Take the bitter with the sweet.
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Rok, "The Three Sounds". Chico Hamiltons West Coast CD's were lacking in the sonic department, they weren't as good as the "You tube's". That's why I asked. |
Rok, the west coast jazz by Chico was flat, and I'm not an extreme audiophile. At the beginning, I stated there was a CD I wouldn't review, and it had some of the very best jazz in my collection, but the CD was lacking "nuance", that was essential to this music, plus the record is no longer available; consequently there was no point in even mentioning this music.
I won't buy any of the music you're ordering until I get your report.
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Thank you Rok, I already have the music you recommended, and I concur. The music you pronounced OK will be on order.
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Frogman, as always, you make thought provoking comments. Since "all" music is subjective, I have no problem with someone's proclamation that this musician or that is superior. As someone stated, "My religion, is the only true religion"; fortunately no wars have been fought over disagreements about jazz.
An objective analysis of jazz can only occur when many aficionados concur. Currently, I don't know of any aficionados who concur with my opinion that the best jazz is no longer being made in America. Youn Sun Nah was made in Korea, and Sharmila Guha was made in India. I have no explanation for the reasons regarding this abnormality, but my ears seem to prefer jazz made in other parts of the world over domestic jazz. Don't blame me, blame my unpatriotic ears. Fortunately, there is so much jazz from the past that I have yet to hear, my unpatriotic ears wont be a problem.
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Pnmeyer, Miles was lucky, smart, and bold. He also had something many other African Americans didn't have, he had a relatively rich background. His father was a well respected dentist in a small town, this gave Miles "Chutzpah". |
"Party With Punte" is my play of the day. Tito has never failed to put the heat on. His name symbolizes hot Latin jazz. No one but the "Dizzy G man" can do it better, and that's the highest praise I can give when it comes to combining jazz with a Latin beat.
Tito puts his personal stamp on two well known jazz classics: "Killer Joe",and "Take Five". The rest of the CD is Tito gone wild; it makes me want to get up and do some fast fancy steps, (I couldn't do fast fancy steps back in the day) that's the way this music affects you.
These are some of the hottest rhythms I've ever heard coming from "El Ray", The Mambo King, and I believe you will agree.
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Rok, you get what you pay for. I've been flipping back and forth between "Moods" by the three sounds on LP and and CD. I'm not into that CD, LP thing. I'll take a good CD over an LP, it just so happened LP was the only way this was available. The LP projects the emotional impact of the music, this is most noticeable on the piano; it's missing on the CD; however, at this price I'm not complaining.
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Rok, I really appreciate your playlist, it helps me to decide on new CD's.
In regard to those bargains, I suggest you use that music for deciding which CD's to buy. In the case of the 3 sounds, the piano is flat, and the piano is everything in their music. I suggest you chalk that cost off, and buy the original CD if you like the music. In the case of "Moods", I paid $35 for a used LP, and now I see a used CD for $106.96, that lets you know how good the music is on that album.
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Gene Harris is my most under appreciated pianist. Since I don't have a good explanation for this, I wont even try; however, I will explain how and why I discovered this.
My friend Rok, recommended some bargain CD's by The Three Sounds, and that's when I discovered how important a pianist Gene Harris is. It's not what he says, but the way that he says it. Each time he strikes a piano key, the way he does it is saying something.
I didn't discover this until I acquired "The Three Sounds" stripped of "nuance". This is such an important word to an audiophile, that I'm going to give you the definition. Nuance: A subtle or slight degree of difference, as in meaning, feeling, or tone; a gradation. A shade or graduation difference in colour, also as in carefully nuanced words.
The very same word can have a multitude of meanings, depending on how it's spoken. "Nuance", in my opinion, is the most important word in the English language to an audiophile.
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Maybe I should join "EAA", that stands for "Extreme Audiophiles Anonymous". After putting such people down, I've discovered that "Maybe I are one"?
This is a "jazz" music forum, and the music Rok recommended is some fantastic jazz.
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Whether ah is or is not, we gonna git back to da music.
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Acman, that is one of the most important recordings I don't have, and have never heard before now. I must have it; then I can just lay back and soak it all in.
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While Rok and I disagreed on the sonic qualities of the music in that bargain set, we absolutely did not disagree on the absolute qualities of the music. This music belongs in anyone's jazz collection who considers himself an "aficionado". I have, and I will continue to pay an exorbitant price for this music. If this set meets your sonic requirements, then you have received "manna from heaven". Here is a very small sample from "you tube". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u_lv_Q3VPMThat very beautiful lady on the cover is Tammy, and she graces the cover of my LP. Every time I hear this, I feel Tammy's fragrant breeze. Another cut on this same LP is "On Green Dolphin Street". This is the coolest "Green Dolphin Street" on record. I can still feel Tammy's fragrant breeze while I'm listening to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNzx9d-D-oEnjoy the music. |
Etta Jones, one of my favorite singers, was never married to Houston Person, although they had a very strong musical bond and friendship.
I bought "Don't Go To Strangers" in 66, and it has many personal memories, I still have that LP plus a new one.
Rok, I'm still waiting for your comments on "Soul Brothers/ Soul Meeting" with Ray Charles and Milt Jackson, as well as the Trio Trebien.
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Charles1dad, after going on "You tube" I placed an order for "Big Bags". In regard to the sonics, your credentials as an "audiophile" are well established.
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Rok, music with me is never isolated, I always associate the music with what was going on in my life, and everything I would see at the time that music was popular. "Boogie Woogie" was popular when I was a child, and I can even visualize the Packard and Hudson automobiles that have long ceased to be manufactured, in the driveways. While checking Dorothy on "You tube", I discovered she played a lot more than just Boogie Woogie. She was one incredible pianist who never aged in regard to her ability to play the piano; she remained ever young, as demonstrated by this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrXolx5XOH4While I don't recall Dorothy in the past, I will most certainly add her to my collection in the present. Enjoy the music. |
While Paquito wasn't "Afro Cuban", it was still music that had a Cuban flair, and I'm thinking about ordering it.
Dorothy Donegan's "Boogie Woogie" was historic and interesting as well.
Say "Lena Horne", and I think "Stormy Weather"; yes she was very beautiful. Sunday must be a good day for nostalgia, because I've enjoyed this trip down memory lane.
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"A Night In Tunisia", from the LP, "The Cooker" by Lee Morgan, has to be the most fantastic version of that jam ever. It features Lee Morgan on trumpet; Pepper Adams, Baritone sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Paul Chambers, bass; and Philly Joe Jones, drums.
Pepper Adams is to the baritone sax what Lee Morgan is to the trumpet; the best ever, according to aficionados. Pepper blew on this jam like there would be no tomorrow, and he had to get every last note in that he was going to ever blow, on this jam.
Although it was headed by Lee Morgan, everybody gave Pepper the floor cause "He wanna blow now". Even Gabriel and the angels had to stop and listen. "Blow your horn, Blow your horn", that's what Gabriel said. "I can't wait to get some more Pepper Adams and Lee Morgan", that's what Orpheus said.
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With a combination like Jon Hendricks, Al Jarreau, George Benson, and Bobby McFerrin doing Miles Davis's music, what's there not to like. It's on order.
Less McCann "Swiss movement" is also on order.
As you know by now, I'm not a "traditionalist", consequently I can live without Wynton; but that's just me.
Chazro, I enjoyed your write up, but the music didn't grab me; and I had to stop and ask "Why not"? Paquito didn't grab for the same reason Wynton doesn't grab me; both are too "stereotypical". I've listened to jazz all of my life, and as soon as someone plays the same phrases I've heard so many times before, I'm gone. Miles realized that a long time ago, which is why he kept re-inventing himself.
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Charles1dad, when you're a true jazz aficionado, as you are; you're guided by your "inner ear" and not by public opinion, consequently you will often prefer the lesser known artist.
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Charles1dad, no one ever said Wynton couldn't play the trumpet, he just can't make music. I wouldn't disagree with someone who said he was the worlds best "trumpet player", that's different than making music. Whatever it takes, he aint got it.
He could be the most incredible "sideman" that ever lived, but by consensus of the "aficionados", his music is too "stereotypical".
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Charles1dad, although we don't agree on Wynton, this has been the best jazz thread ever, and I appreciate everyone's contributions, even the very few that I disagreed with.
I've expanded my collection with some boss jazz. Shirley Scott is an organist that I like very much, and I'm glad you reminded me of that fact. |
Frogman, Shirley Horn can really get you emotionally involved in her songs, they seem like short stories of her life. I'll have to get more of her work. |
Frogman, I definitely agree on the beginning, and although that music came from Africa, it may longer exist in Africa in it's truest form, but only in Brazil.
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Charles1dad, "What moves us is purely personal and unique, it's impossible to expect unanimous agreement on what musicians we like and don't like.The point is jazz is a extraordinary form of art and I'm just happy there are others here who love it as much as I do."
You have expressed my sentiments precisely, and your love of this music has taken me back to artists I've forgotten. Shirley Scott's warm, and soulful organ takes me back to a time that I listened to "live" organ more than I listened to recorded organ. Now I realize the highest of the high end, can not even come close to a live organ. I was telling someone how I recall a friends sound on organ as being so much better than what I heard on my LP's or CD's, and he said it was because I heard it live. Since I had heard sax, trumpet, vocal, and even piano live; and when I compared them to my recorded versions of the same tunes, there wasn't that same vast difference that occurred with the organ. Now I realize that the organ covers such a wide range of frequencies and dynamics, that a recording can't even come close; but in the case of my friend, that only partially explains it.
Thanks to you and others who have posted, my love for this music is even better the second time around.
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Dr. Dre grossed $110. million pretax. Does that mean he's 110 times better musician than Wynton Marsalis who only made a measly 1 million or so?
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I don't like Wynton's music, I don't like my own music, because I can't make any. I don't like Dr. Dre's music, but I do like Harold Land's music. I was able to get top dollar for Wynton's LP's that I sold because so many other people like his music, and I'm glad for me and Wynton. Some people like strawberry while others like vanilla.
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Cootie's music conjured up visions of Cab Calloway strutting across the stage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zvxIZZUyAkI listened to Shirley Horn twist in order to absorb Wynton's solo, and it was every bit as good as you said it was. (apparently I have been misunderstood) I never said Wynton couldn't blow the trumpet, we just have two different concepts of good music when he does his own thing. Even if everyone in the universe thought Wynton's concept of good music was the best, when I go to the record store, I pay the cost to be the boss. Enjoy the music. |
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Happy New Year Frogman. I'm glad you're back to continue our musical journey to wherever it leads us.
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Cymbop, "Favela" is my favorite cut on that LP.
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Rok, as good as your reviews have been, this is the best yet. Although it's almost impossible to know who's playing what, it's all good. Ray has not played jazz this good before, nor since; he had so much soul, and he was young then.
The blues, jazz comment is right on. This music mixes them so well, that bluesjazz is the only appropriate word for it. In regard to who's playing what, I just found out that Skeeter Best is the guitar soloist on "Blue Funk".
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Charles1dad, Jack Sheldon was primarily known on the West Coast; good musicians could make a living, and never leave the LA area. Yes, he had a beautiful tone.
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I've been out of town for a day, but I'm going to catch up and not slight anyone's posts. Rok, your honesty is what makes your reviews so good; "you calls em like you sees em".
I thought, without listening for myself, "Jazz At The Pawnshop" was one of the best recordings ever; the hype was all I had to go by. As you know I like good sound, but without good music, you can keep it. As for your reviews, "keep em comin"
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I found three similar CD's with different release dates, and Harold Land looked old on one of them. I need numbers for the exact CD you have. |
Isochronism, could you give us your favorites by Freddie Hubbard? |
Rok, although I'm a big Bobby Hutcherson, and Harold Land fan, I didn't like the "Timeless" I found; however, I did find "Delilah" by the Bobby Hutcherson quartet. This music is absolutely amazing. It's current, that's what makes it so amazing. While the bass player is young, he's making his own unique sound and contributing to the whole. Although Bobby Hutcherson is old, he sounds young and fresh. My albums by him go all the way back to when he was young with curly hair. He sounds as good now as he did then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgLychKCMYEnjoy the music. |
