Isolation Transformer - Use with Cheater Plug


If you plug equipment into a isolation transformer like a Tripp-lite using cheater plugs, do you still get the shock benefit? I am thinking you are because the transformer is still plugged in the correct, grounded way. But technical knowledge has never been one of my strengths.
(The only way I can prevent loud hum is by using cheater plugs on both my preamp and amp. Plugging them into the Tripp-lite without the cheater plugs did not work.)
hhawk

Showing 4 responses by jea48

If you plug equipment into a isolation transformer like a Tripp-lite using cheater plugs, do you still get the shock benefit?

You bet! You could receive an electrical shock if a ground fault condition were to exist under the right conditions.

(The only way I can prevent loud hum is by using cheater plugs on both my preamp and amp. Plugging them into the Tripp-lite without the cheater plugs did not work.)

What happens if you do not use the Tripp-lite and plug the audio equipment directly into the wall outlet? Still have ground loop hum?
02-21-09: Ngjockey
According to code, the ground is not isolated by the iso and is continuous. The positive and negative are isolated.

And just to add....
For isolation transformers less than 2 KVA, if memory serves me right on the size, the safety equipment grounding conductor from the wall outlet can be used to connect one of secondary winding legs to ground. This grounded conductor, known as the neutral conductor. This connection also becomes the connection for the receptacle/s equipment grounds. A separately derived power system, (an iso transformer), shall have its secondary wired as an AC grounded power system.

In other words the secondary of the transformer can not float. It must have a direct reference to ground.
A balanced power system is still a grounded AC power system, (60/120Vac). True both 120V legs are ungrounded with a reference from each leg to the grounded neutral of 60V.
The neutral is still connected to earth ground per NEC Article 647.
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I originally had the pair plugged into the same outlet with the cheater plugs. (I did not have this problem until I replaced my previous power amp.) Without the cheater plugs, the hum is very loud.
02-21-09: Hhawk


Hhawk,

Are you saying with all the associated equipment, that is connected together by ics, plugged into the same outlet without using ground cheaters you get a loud hum?

By Chance do you have a CATV system hooked up to the audio system in any way?
02-22-09: Hhawk
Forgot to say that I do have Directv and audio is connected to the preamp via RCA jacks. So maybe a RCA ground isolation device is what I really need.

Could very well be the source of the ground loop hum....
For lightning protection the SAT system has a lightning protection arrestor. The cable/s from the SAT dish connects to the arrestor then exits the arrestor and runs on into your home.

Some SAT installers use an outside driven ground rod to connect the lightning arrestor to earth. This will cause ground loop hum.

Temporarily disconnect the Directv ics from the preamp! Check for hum.....

Still have hum?
Just to make sure you are isolating the SAT 100% from your audio system disconnect the RG6 coax/s, (at the receiver), that comes from the dish to the SAT receiver. You may have two RG6 coaxes if you have a DVR.

Post back the results.