Isolated Ground causes ground hum.

Hi Experienced Goner.
I am adding the isolated ground into my music system and when I connected the ground wire into my existing system and it hums badly.
Did I do st wrong?
Thanks
Calvin
dangcaonguyen12-19-2018 7:34pm

dangcaonguyen OP113 posts12-19-2018 9:43pm

I hammered three copper rods under the ground then linked them together with a solid 4 awg copper wire and through the exterior wall into my music room.

dangcaonguyen OP113 posts12-19-2018 9:45pm

When i touched that wire to the ground post on the preamp, hum occurred. Thanks

You got the hum because there is a difference of potential, voltage, between the new isolated earth connection and your homes main electrical service earth connection.

An isolated earth connection is great for lightning frying your audio equipment. A high voltage lightning transient could enter on your new earth ground connection, travel through your audio equipment, travel out through the equipment grounding conductor at the wall outlet through the equipment grounding conductor of the branch circuit wiring, back to the main electrical panel main service neutral/equipment ground, and then back to earth through the earth ground connection for the electrical service.... Oh and in less than a blink of an eye the event takes place. The lightning high voltage transient may jump across to other branch circuit wiring and fry other equipment and appliances on it way back to mother earth.

An isolated earth connection does nothing for improving the sound of an audio system. Mother earth does no possess some mystical magical power that sucks nasties from an audio system. If anything in your case it adds noise.

dangcaonguyen OP113 posts12-19-2018 11:29pm

I figured out where the problem is. It is on the Conrad Johnson amplifier. When I plugged it into the outlet out of my dedicated line network, or when I used the cheat plug, the hum was gone.
Now, anyone has any idea of how to fix it will be much appreciated.
Thanks

Yeah, ditch the isolated ground electrode. ( New ground rods).If you think you need a lower resistance earth connection then connect your 3 new ground rods to the main earth grounding system of the electrical service. A minimum #6awg copper wire is required by code. Use Approved grounding clamps.

Here is some great reading material on grounding.
https://centralindianaaes.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/indy-aes-2012-seminar-w-notes-v1-0.pdf

Jim

What do you think about the use of Isolated Ground Receptacle in this case.
Thanks

First, what is an IG, (Isolated Ground) receptacle?
A receptacle where the female equipment ground contact is isolated electrically from the receptacle supporting back strap.

What is the intended use of an IG receptacle?
To provide a connection to the equipment ground contact of the receptacle using an insulated equipment grounding conductor run with the branch circuit wiring back the the electrical panel the branch circuit is fed from. The insulated equipment grounding conductor connects to the ground bar in the electrical panel. (Exception: NEC allows the insulated equipment grounding conductor to pass through a sub panel and connect to the ground bar in the Main electrical service panel)

IG receptacles are used in commercial and industrial occupancies where metallic electrical conduit is used for branch circuit wiring. The idea is noise maybe traveling on the metallic conduit. The IG receptacle equipment ground contact is isolated from the metallic conduit. IG receptacles were popular in the 1970s, 1980s, maybe 1990s, but not so much in the last several years.

Two equipment grounding conductors are required when using an IG receptacle. One (insulated) for the ground terminal/ground contact of the receptacle and the other to ground the receptacle supporting back strap. Metallic conduit is an approved equipment grounding conductor per NEC Code. Where the conduit is not to be used as the equipment grounding conductor a separated equipment grounding conductor is pulled in the conduit and bonded, connected to the metal receptacle rough in box.

IG receptacle Connected to a Romex branch circuit?
Serves no purpose. If the Romex is terminated in a metal box Code says the equipment grounding conductor in the Romex must be bonded, connect, to the box. A grounding pigtail is also connected to the Romex equipment grounding conductor and connected to the IG receptacle equipment grounding terminal. If a plastic box is used NEC allows an IG receptacle but requires a non conductive receptacle cover plate shall be used.
Jim

@ erik_squires

Add more ground rods.
Bond them to house ground rod farm. Run 1 ground wire directly to the ground rods, and use that for your outlets.

Not sure what you are recommending to the OP. Would you please expand.
NEC requires the equipment grounding conductor to be installed in the same raceway or part of the same cable assembly, (Example Romex).
NEC does allow an Auxiliary Grounding Electrode. NEC 250.54...  I wouldn’t recommend it. It supplies a path for lightning to enter the OPs home.

2008 NEC—250.54

Auxiliary Grounding Electrodes.

One or more grounding electrodes shall be permitted to be connected to the equipment grounding conductors specified in 250.118 and shall not be required to comply with the electrode bonding requirements of 250.50 or 250.53(C) or the resistance requirements of 250.56, but the earth shall not be used as an effective ground-fault current path as specified in 250.4(A)(5) and 250.4(B)(4).

https://www.ecmag.com/section/codes-standards/significant-changes-nec-2008-0
The Aux grounding Electrode Shall connect to the branch circuit equipment grounding conductor. Lightning loves an Aux grounding electrode.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlnFNTay-9Q
Jim

@ erik_squires

Thank you for the clarification.

Yes you are correct there is no limit to the number of earth ground rods as long as they are all tied together. They then become one electrode. One ground wire is extended and then connected to the service entrance neutral conductor in the main electrical service equipment/panel.
Jim

2) Connected the Isolated Ground (from my ground post) to the ground pin of the IGR receptacle.

Dangerous and against Code. In the event of a hot to chassis ground fault event, of a piece of audio equipment plugged into the IG receptacle, there is not a low resistive path for the ground fault current to travel back to the source, the electrical panel. The breaker that feeds the branch circuit will never trip open. In fact there is a good chance the chassis of the piece of equipment would be Hot, energized, with respect to any other grounded item that is connected to the main electrical service equipment ground. An electrical shock, or worse, electrocution hazard.

I also suggest you reread erik-squires and gs5556 posts.

Again.... The earth does not posses some mystical magical power that sucks nasties from audio equipment. If anything it can add noise. You won’t find any well respected EE that will tell you otherwise.

3)
I changed the 4awg solid copper bare wire to 6awg insulated strained wire to match with the NEC code.

#6 is bare minimum. You can use larger.

Did you click on the Link with the video I supplied in an earlier post?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlnFNTay-9Q

That guy talking helps write NEC Code.

Do I have to remove all the ground rods I already planted is in the ground? Is there any issue if I keep them there? Its kind of hard to remove those rods now.

No problem with leaving them there. I would remove the ground wire from the rods from the inside of the house. Cut it off outside the house or bury it in the ground outside the house.

lak,

Thank you for the kind words.
Jim