"Let us know when you get that Miyabi." <:~) - Dougdeacon
LOL!
George |
Paul, Sean, Asonicyouth, Doug,
Thanks for your input. I'll be on the lookout for those cartridges.
Best,
George |
You just don't know how much I appreciate the help you're all providing me. I'm truly humbled.
I used to think setting up was just screwing in the cartridge onto the arm, get a free-float, set the tracking force and I'm done. Little did I know I have to take the internal impedance into consideration (Gliders are more than 10 ohms), match gain against voltage output - Wow! I've learned quite a bit these past two days!
Raul, getting the Miyabi would certainly solve the problem, wouldn't it? Only thing is, the cost would amount to the price of my whole analog section! If only...
Regards to all!
George |
Hi Yourmama (my mom is fine and is okay with CD and LP),
Thanks for your post. If there's any flame coming your way, it won't be from me; but possibly could come from one who also owns a Basis. So, what makes this table that bad?
I'll admit that when I first bought it, I let it sit because I went into SACD and later on did more digital. Then when I came back to LP's, I sought to improve upon it. At first my rig didn't really thrill me that much, especially with the stock RB300 arm that came with it. But after I replaced it with the RS-A1, the table came to life. Became faster and livier. So here I am, trying to find ways to make it better.
Then your post came...
Would you like to tell me more about what you think of this table, the Basis 2000? What makes it not the correct one for which to build an analog system? And what recommendation do you have to really set up a truly good one?
Thanks - no hard feelings but ouch just the same!
Regards,
George |
Hi Yourmama,
Okay, so my table isn't up to par with the good ones. According to you, the top is missing - which is one of the issues I have with the table. So there, at least, there is some agreement.
I thought it was the cartridge that was causing this missing top. Now it appears it's really the table that's at fault. That's fine, I'm listening.
What then is a good table to build upon? You mentioned traditional tables. Would the Linn LP12 be a good point to start? Or the Teres?
Please give a few suggestions so I may digest the info and work on it - when I'm ready and able.
Thanks,
George |
Hi Ken,
Good to hear from you!
I'm not holding on to the Basis because I refuse to believe it's not a good table. I'm just trying to make do with what I've got. And changing the arm really fooled me. It got better, alright, but maybe, not that much better than it should?
Where would you begin if you were in my place?
Regards,
George |
Hi Ken,
Your post is... Wow!
Best,
George |
Once again, I'm deeply humbled by all your replies. What can I say except to say I feel very lucky to have come across you all and reading your input.
Thank you!
What's surprising, though, is the Teres - or the non-recommendation of it. This is indeed a sought-after table right here at the Audiogon. If I remember right, this is the second time that I've heard someone giving it a thumbs-down. He had a Teres, tried everything to build around it, and finally, to his dismay, had to give up the table. He settled for a Mitchell.
So now I'm back to square one and don't mind it at all. At least I could read up on all the tables recommended and audition them with an open mind (and ear). And telling myself the most popular (or prettiest) isn't necessarily the best one!
Regards,
George |
Hi Psychicanimal,
What is the KAB modded 1200?
George |
George, I can't help but be curious - after receiving all of this information and helpful advise, what course of action do you think you will do to solve your problem. :-) - Newbee
Newbee,
I trust George gave up and bought concert tickets long ago! Or at least I hope so. - Dougdeacon
LOL!
Hi All (I mean all you great guys!),
Today, I took the first step and ordered a Shelter 501 II. I guess it's the consensus that to properly dial in the Phonocube's gain, this cartridge is a 'safe bet.' Since a recommended lower output voltage would make it more compatible (0.4mV against the Glider's 0.83mV); including checking with Yoshi as well (Doug, the "mass" issue is not that critical here, he says).
And I also listened to a Nottingham - with a Shelter 501.
There will be more tables and systems that I will audition (because I know now what to look for), I guess I'm heading in the right direction.
So, in honor of the 28th Modern Olympics, I salute you all!
George |
George, I can't help but be curious - after receiving all of this information and helpful advise, what course of action do you think you will do to solve your problem. :-) - Newbee
Newbee,
I trust George gave up and bought concert tickets long ago! Or at least I hope so. - Dougdeacon
LOL!
Hi All (and I mean all you good guys!),
Yesterday, I made my firt move: I ordered a Shelter 501 II. I think this is a "safe bet" since it conforms to the Phonocube's gain and specs. Having a cartridge that stays closer to the recommended output voltage (0.4mV against the Glider's 0.83mV); including checking with Yoshi of its compatibility, I'm positive it's a sensible move. (Doug, the "mass" issue is not that critical here, he says.)
And, I also listened to a Nottingham - with a Shelter 501.
With more tables and systems to audition, I'm now more confident because I more or less know which ones to look out for.
So, in honor of the 28th Modern Olympics, I salute you all!
Best,
George |
Hi Psychianimal,
If I insert the KAB in my system, will the Inmates still respect me? :)
Anyway, I used to have the Technics SL-1600. It was used (according to the ad) in most radio stations (FM, I think). I don't remember how it sounded, but I do remember it was always advertised in the Playboy magazines. It was quartz driven. The arm - when you press to start - would know whether it was a 45 or an LP because it had a sensor - hell, it was an unassuming piece of high-tech machine!
Later on through the years it was the Yamaha PF-800 (I think), and finally a little more accepted table, the Rega.
I haven't gone very far ahead, have I? Or is it just a state of mind?
Regards,
George |
Nobody messes w/ the modded 1200 anymore. Not here, not in the Asylum. You'd have to spend around $5K to equal or outperform it. - Psychianimal
I don't doubt your assessment regarding the KAB 1200. If a $950 table could equal or surpass one that costs $5000 - that's a hell of an improvement. But who would trade in his "hight-end" table like the VPI or Clearaudio for a mass-produced Technics 1200 wannabe?
Unless there's overwhelming support of this table, I'm afraid I would stay with the status quo. Perception is just too hard to break down.
If those gentlemen you mentioned, including yourself, could make a mediocre Technics 1200 into a $5,000 monster, you probably would mod other tables.
Can you mod my table?
I'm more curious than convinced, actually, so please don't feel I'm a snob - of which I'm never one.
Thanks and regards,
George |
Hi Joe,
I have set up the Shelter 501 on the RS-A1. Out of the box, the Shelter does seem a little more extended. So far I have 5 hours into it (I'll be quiet in the next 95 hours!). Set up was a 45-minute job.
I listen to all types of music, although I like British Invasion (not very sophisticated, I'm afraid) because I have mostly music from that era - notably original Black & Yellow Beatles Parlophones. (That's another story.)
The recommended internal impedance (what's that?) of the Phonocube should not be more than 10 ohms. The 501 is at 12. So it's not that far off, right?
I also like classical music, or beginning to like it, especially after 9 PM. My sense of serenity starts at that time!
I'm still tinkering with the VTA, however, since that's where the RS-A1 is standing: on a sunken hole in the Basis table. So getting the right height is a little tricky. One thing I notice, though, is that tracking force sounds fine at 1.6 grams.
Regards,
George |
