there are some.. Elizabeth on the 'gon is female...
i just dont think that women see logic in a $200.00 interconnects like us poor dumb guys do.
shoes on the other hand....
I agree with "Slappy".
Women will spend about hundreds of dollars on shoes and handbags and think nothing about it.
But now, let us spend about $200.00 on a pair of interconnects or $500.00 on a power cord, and they'll moan and bitch like crazy then.
They'll spend hundreds of dollars for shoes and think it is justifiable, but then when we spend that same hundreds of dollars on accessories to make our stereos sound better, they don't see the logic in that then.
Strange....... But True.......
I just don't get it!!!!!
Good Point . Lets start a website for our significant others so they will leave us alone. How about Shoegon !
They can upgrade their heels, ankle straps, conduct double blind walking tests and they can compare little rubber feet under the shoes to minimize vibration.
This spotlight routine has been tried in the past, and it hasn't worked really well. Its not that easy; you have to find the ladies in the non-about-women threads and tackle them like everyone else does.
Hey there ladies, its me...Ohlala...here I come...
I was always wondering why HIFI is a man's world. When I grew up, we were made to believe that differences between men and women - beside the obvious - are dominated by education.
But when I read the very popular book "Why Men Don't Listen And Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan and Barbara Pease, I found an explanation. Today we know much more about our brain than some decades before. It's a fact that there are fundamental differences in the construction of the brains of women and men. The difference comes from evolution - yes the old story of the man as the hunter and fighter and the woman to control the home to safely grew the children. The man's brain is optimized for hunting. One specialized qualification is the ability to make use of minor differences in sound to find out the exact position of the origin of the sound, it may be a wild animal or a human enemy. Men are able to analyze the sound to find out distance, position and even movement.
Women developed different strengths. They are able to listen to different people talking at the same time. The view of women controls a wide angle, we even have the impression they see what happens behind them. This helps a lot when you are responsible for several children at home.
As we like what we are good in we have different views of music reproduction. We - men - love to be able to identify the position of the all the musicians, the singer in the middle may be 6 ft. tall, the big drum comes way far from the back, and so on. This is HIFI, our hobby. Is it important for the beauty of the music? Not really.
Women enjoy music as much as we do and their ears are very good. They can judge very competent about tonal differences and the Quality of the sound as a whole. But they are simply not interested in our HIFI disciplines.
By the way - the above mentioned best seller explains several phenomena in the never ending battle between men and women, very interesting reading. It does not address our HIFI phenomena, but it gave me the background information to find my personal explanation given above.
What a bunch of bull. If you want to 'believe' you just happened and evolved, feel free, but me, we were created, and yes, created with differeces.
Hey Brianmgrarcom, What Uli said is absolutly correct, i just crawled out of the primordial sludge 6 weeks ago.
thats stuff really gets everywhere, and man is it hard to get off, one would think it was oil based.
Either way, Created, Evolved, just a matter of personal beliefs, however, i think alot of what he said is right, and it can be applied to cration. Im sure if we are made from god he wanted to be sure he had us in our correct roles, so he gave mean the abolity to think on a more broad based 3 dimentional way, and women a more focused and verbal mind.
tell ya one thing, they truly do seem to have eyes in the back of thier head sometimes...
Now we're having an evolution vs. creationism debate? I've seen threads get off track before, but geez!
Wow! What a breath of fresh air. There hasn't been a thread characterized by wild generalizations and straw-man logic here in awhile.
Well, as Jack Benny would say. I never expected this and I hope this doe not turn into a dispute.
I agree about clothing - some never worn, some overpriced. I ask to get something, the answer is always NO. I have never said anything about 2 hour long distance calls to her sister, never told her no about clothes, but after 21 years a tube amplifier needs something.
I also notice there is not a post by a female. My wondering is over.
If I were a woman reading the comments in this thread, I wouldn't deign to offer input - I'd be horrendously offended. As a man engaged in this hobby, I am offended and embarrassed by the comments made.
This thread started with what struck me as a reasonable question seeking understanding. What followed would surely shut down any dialog with the knowledgable women who ocassionally do post here.
In my experience, many women care about good sound and can tell in about 3 seconds whether a system is worth wasting any more time on. Most of these same women are willing to spend reasonable (and unreasonable) sums for a system that sounds very good or for a piece of gear that materially improves the sound. But, most also have reached the sane conclusion that no system will ever sound as good as live music and being in a perpetual state of anxiety over this issue (as are many of us men in this hobby) is a waste of good energy that can be used more beneficially elsewhere.
I am fortunate to have lived with one such woman for over 30 years. Her tolerance for " angst'ing " over hardware is minimal, but ask her to listen and offer an opinion and she'll absolutely "nail" the differences between one system and another, or one peice of gear and another, in under 2 minutes. And, if the difference means a more complete or more truthful recreation of the music, she'll support making the investment to accomplish that. But her patience with all this hardware comparison gets exhausted in about 45 minutes (which is about the time it takes me to finally begin to understand what she heard in those first 2 minutes).
Sorry if I've offended anyone who has posted here, but I really believe that men who engage in this hobby need to significantly "clean up our act" if we ever wish to include more women in the discussions that occur here and elsewhere related to audio.
Oh, just wonderful. Rushton's post and the Hee-Haw understanding of my posts in the past compell me to note to readers that my post was satire of those who see female audiophiles as they see dwarfs walking down street.
Ruston, i dont see why any woman would be offended with this forums. It is rather odd to find a woman in this hobby. Its nothing amazing or anything, and there is no reason women cannot be into this stuff like guys are, but if you havent noticed, there is a rather sharp contrast in the male to female population of this little subculture.
I just reviewd the past post, and i cannot find anything that i would consider offencive... my wife doesent either...
I agree with Ohlala though, its doubtful any women WOULD answer to this post.
I work in a technical enviornment, and there is alot of sexism twards female technicians, in fact, sometimes if one of our females technicians is talking to a customer tech, sometimes they wont listen to her and basically dont put any credit to what she says. Then i can come in, being male, say what she wants me to tell them, and presto, they listen to it.
Actually, there was this one instance where one of our female technicians was troubleshooting a problem and found the trouble to be in our customers vendor's equipment. The vendor would not believe her and argued with her and was a real sexist jerk to her. So, she grabbed one of the male janitors, wrote down what she wanted him to say, he recited it to the vendor, and all of the sudden the vendor agreed with the diagnosis of where the trouble was. of course the vendor did not know that the MALE he was talking to was not a tech, but a janitor, however, the fact being that the janitor was male and the vendor heard what the female tech was saying through a male voice.
She was also correct too. She is one hell of a technician
Its a buncha crap because the females i work with are great technicians and really know thier juice.
This also happens in the automotive world as well. Its not just guys either, i have known women that would be skeptical of anything technical another woman said.
it basically boils down this this fact, that anything technical is considered a mans world. Men's statements bear more weight than womens in this kind of stuff. Its unfair and it sucks but there is not much i can do about other peoples misconseptions and ignorance. this is the kind of thing that changes over alot of time. Sure there are some people who could care less if the advise came from a woman, im one of them because i work with women in a technical career and i know they are perfectly capable of having relavant and well thought out opinions and advice.
unfortunatly not everyone is like that
i have no doubt there are women on this board who do not reveal this gender because they are afraid that this might discredit thier posts in the minds of many 'gon'ers
I would like to think that most guys on the board could care less if the advise is coming from women. After all, most people on the 'gon are educated, and less likly to hold to those stereotypes.
I wish more women WOULD come forth, because right now it has kinda a boy's only club, or like talking about gear in the lockerroom after racketball. If we were aware of the fact that some of the advise we took was from a woman, it might help break down those barriers.
Just my humble opinion.
My vote here is for discretion being the better part of valor. Ever since I told my wife how much my system cost, she's used it as a measuring stick to justify buying whatever she wants. In retrospect I should've downplayed the cost. Anybody else in the same boat?
i told my wife my stereo would never exceed the price of her car.
Im gonna have to get here a Jaguar here in a few years. that will give me plenty of overhead. hehehe
It also helps that she likes watching movies, she she is all about me doing the HT thing. The 2channel setup is where it starts to get hairy