C123666- member lookup.."Humanity" and "juki"
Im glad we can agree on the Dyna 17d2 as a great cart, and worthy of some fine systems to be used in. I think it's great that someone could save some money in their purchase by an answer that speaks to that end..regardless of the thread getting somwhat "sidetracked"..I know of some that get totally carried away and have nothing to do with the original thought all all. I dont think this qualifies as one of those..
I certainly cant speak for you or others, but in 25 years of buying from local dealers and some not so local, I have mostly unsatisfing experiences from them all. I could list them all but, suffice to say, if I wasn't getting ripped off in my purchase or at trade-in time... then I had to endure the negative and snooty comments of the equipment I currently owned or thought about buying as not good enough or "this is way better" BS... I once drove 4 hours to audition some speakers, only to find they didn't carry them anymore..this after setting up the appointment with a floor salesman!!!.. only 2 days prior. Clueless at best! Another dealer sold me a set of powercords for my amps. I paid in cash, got a receipt and left the store. 3 months later, they called my home to demand money for items I "borrowed" or I should return the cords immediately...Unbelievable..I had to send a copy of their own signed receipt to prove my purchase. I wonder If you'd go back and buy more things from that Einstein...I didn't! In the end most dealers couldn't give me the time of day and it showed. I have no remorse for these guys...Sure, their are excellent dealers out there..but not where I grew up and started in audio.Sad to say, bad memmories linger..Yet, all that said..I still do visit my current local dealer and talk audio and see whats new. He's a great guy,only problem is, he abandoned analog many years ago.. I choose not to buy new with the exception of tubes,software and ancillary things audio, and as such use Audiogon for used equipment at substantial savings probably like you do too! So Ill agree with you that I "paid more"!! but certainly didn't get the "support" of the local dealer.
Of course I could just tell you that your entitled to your Opin. but that Ill buy my cart from whomever I d**n well please!...but let me also mention that in fact the Hong Kong dealer is a friend of mine whom I have vistited with 9 years ago years ago at his shop in Kowloon, HK, and established a personal friendship with. In fact, he would take back my cart, even if I trashed it of my own doing while mounting it..NO questions asked, and that from him! Im not so sure what a US dealer would do here..Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe he likes you, maybe he's having a good day and you'll be lucky! or perhaps you'll have to get a ruling from the big shots of the company first and wait 3 weeks for a response..I dont know.
Lastly, With the trend towards HT and dealers having to cater to where they can best profit...many have all but abandoned analog. This is truly a sad thing.I think we can all agree on this. Of course there are those that know the magic of analog and as such continue to offer it. Sadly though, some who still sell vinyl haven't the foggiest idea how to set it up properly, but will gladly sell you anything and everything you need to get into vinyl, just so long as you buy it from them..another area of soreness for me. :)