I own the 205 and am pleased with it. An Equitech 2Q and some MIT conditioning enhanced its performance significantly, which indicates with good clean power it performs significantly better than most users will ever experience. I’m using Spectral amp and Pre and ref level MIT cabling. I think value now can only be ascertained by considering what you can/will use it for and what it would cost to get comparable performance with other available units. I find it’s upscaling valuable as I enjoy opera on DVD and there are plenty of DVd’s available and only few Bluray. I will use it’s 4K abilities as I’m shopping for a new TV. FWIW.
I own a 205 and I don't think it's that great. It's worth the $1200 I paid, but it's no giant-killer. At least not to me. But, it does basically everything and sounds pretty good doing it. But it does not sound like a 3k CD-only player. If you're just looking to play CDs, I would go with a dedicated player like the Naim CD5x or something like that.
Is OPPO worth the inflated price?
Is Modwright OPPO worth the outlandish inflated price?
My 85% deaf mother-in-law could tell the difference between the top of the line Modwright Oppo against an mid-level PrimaLuna in my room. She said: "Look at how your friend’s eyes lighted up the 2nd time (when the PrimaLuna was playing)". Now that’s OBJECTIVE review you should believe.
I stated it’s one of the most transparent DACs out there. That may sound boring to you if you aren’t looking to listen to your music as is truly sounds. Either way, if you can disprove my claim on it being one of the best in terms of transparency, I welcome it; I’m not gonna argue on your sighted+informed subjective opinion, as that’s your truth.
I have a 105 and a 203, but no way would I pay that kind of money for it, especially just as a disc spinner.. if CD replay is your only priority, $3500 will buy you some several times more refined than an Oppo. If you need a Universal Player, look to Pioneer and Sony.
As usual, my recommendation would be to get a good DAC and and use something for a transport. Again, if spinning CDs is all the OP wants to do, a dedicated transport from Cambridge and a Mytek Brooklyn, for example, will cost them $2500 and be several times better than an Oppo.
The beauty of Oppo was that they made solid equipment that would spin any format, be a killer Video player that could have apps added to it,, be used as a DAC, and even stream, all in one chassis at a reasonable price. That doesn’t mean that for CD replay alone it should merit being priced in the stratosphere.
Transparency doesn’t always equates to musicality. You are one of those folks that judge a component performance based on its measurement data and then forms an opinion. I bet you anything you’re one of those that defy anything audio or else unless you see the measurement data.
For you, listening experience is not necessary. That’s where we will never see eye to eye. And that’s ok with me 😉
I have a bunch of Oppo players. Two 103Ds, one in the bedroom and one in the main system. The main system is just used for video (it's an integrated AV system but I probably watch 10 movies/year and it has a projector and probably stuff like the Super Bowl and that's it). I rarely watch a disc in the bedroom but sometimes used the Oppo app to play music outside as the bedroom feeds the outdoor speakers. I also have an old (Modwright solid state) modded BDP-83 in the main system as it can output 192kHz via the coax digital into my DAC if I so desire.
I have a 93 in the upstairs bonus room (basically a guest bedroom) with a hard drive filled with music. I have an old DV-980h in my 4k system which also has a 203. I own a whole 9 UHD movies and it is my back-up 3D system (have a 55 inch UHD TV). So I've probably played no more that 20 movies on the 203 and when I was running some systems at an audio get together, it may have been used briefly to demo reading files from my NAS. I've considered selling the 203 (and if someone wants to make me an offer even at 10% less than some of the insane prices go ahead)
Transparency doesn’t always equates to musicality.
Musicality is a non-descript term, might as well say “The sound was too orange.” No one knows exactly what someone else means when they use that term. I used transparency, which is easily understood, meaning it adds no colorations. I prefer no colorations/distortions (let me hear my music, not my gear), and I stated the 205 was one of the best on the planet for this purpose, I have no arguments on what you find “musical”.
Now, I would not use a CD Player as a DAC, so the 205 doesn’t interest me, and even for its transparency, I wouldn’t spend that much (even the Chord Qutest or Benchmark DAC3B are question marks for me).
This could/should be a purchasing consideration.
I think it is worth the price. From 205 you will get a 4K player, a 32 bit PCM and DSD music player, balanced out (stereo), 7.1 (or 5.0 for DSD) out. An earhphone amp and pre-amp. I can’t name other play offer these @ $3000 range. If you spend $1000 to mod-wright it. It is a solid Strereophile class A music player. For best audio performance, I always use XLR balanced out at line-out level and use a pre-amp with balanced in-out. I also use XLR with variable out since 205 has a 32 bit DAC and won’t degrading 24 bit music resolution to some listening level. Did I ever mentioned MQA? Yes, the Oppo can decode MQA if you prefer Tidal. Or just go 192k/24bit. It can connect with your music library hard drive and play directly through it. The only missing on 205 is the Tidal and Netflix app.
Already been said but here's my views.
Having owned ( or still own) just about every OPPO bdp/udp ever made I feel I have a fairly decent perspective.
For video and movies any of the later OPPO are hard to beat. Fantastic soundtracks for movies over HDMI into a 7.1 processor.
As for music from its own analog outputs?
Even the much lauded 105d and 205 left me cold and an,older $130 Pioneer player bettered them.
Used as a transport over spdif it is fine,but then so is a $20 Samsung bdp in my system!
Value for money?
Obviously subjective but it was and remains a $1295 universal player so 2 or 3 times the price?
Actually deadly serious on the $130 Pioneer. That's what I paid used from eBay, not sure what it's original msrp was decades ago.
My point was that the OPPO as a top flight CD player from its analog outs ( RCA or Xlr) was not top flight at all imho.
Not common to be accused of having a sense of humour .... Lmao.
My BDP103 sounded better played through my Auralic Vega DAC than the BDP105D played straight to my preamp. I have also owned a Modwright modded BDP-95 an Oppo HA1 headphone amp and now have a UDP203 that replaced the BDP103. I don't think I've heard the 205, but find it hard to imagine that it sounds substantially better than the HA1 (which had the best DAC of the Oppos that I have heard) or BDP105/105D.
The thing I liked most about the Oppos was the streaming apps that came with them and when the UDP series came out without the apps I lost interest. I did break down and buy a UPD203 at a slightly inflated price so that I could have 4K when I upgraded my TV, but I don't use it for music at all really and have a BlueSound Node 2 for Tidal/Spotify/Qobuz/etc. and Roku for Netflix. The only thing I use the UDP203 for is Blu-Rays and 4K movies.
My Marantz KI-Pearl takes care of the little silver music discs and blows the Oppo away.
I own the 205 and use it several times a week watching 4K movies through a 4K firestick. The video is outstanding!
However, for Cd I use the PS Direct Stream player/transport to my PS DS Dac.
The 205 is great for movies but the PS unit is outstanding for Cd’s.
For an all purpose one piece component it is pretty good. Maybe not $3500 good but more than the original price of $1200.
That’s probably why Oppo dropped the line, not enough profit per unit.
Please excuse me for breaking into this discussion. Hearing this discussion about your OPPO 205 reminded me of my situation. However, I do not know how to originate a discussion.
I have an OPPO UPD 203 connected to an ARCAM AVR550 with a pair of Paradigm Prestige 85F towers. When I set up my system I decided to stream TIDAL. To eliminate signal breakup, I have direct wired the modem in my family room to my Apple TV in the family room by using CAD 6 cable and I direct wired the Apple TV using CAD6 to the back of my ARCAM. Since then, I do not find myself using my OPPO to play CD's. I wonder if anyone knows if I am sacrificing sound quality by streaming TIDAL as compared to playing CD's through my OPPO. Also, when I do use the OPPO the dealer I purchased the ARCAM from suggested I connect the OPPO with an RCA cable when playing CD's to improve sound quality. However, doesn't this utilize the DAC in the OPPO rather the DAC in the OPPO? This said, which has the better DAC, the OPPO or the ARCAM. I also have the OPPO connected by HDMI to watch movies and I wonder when listening to CD's if I would improve sound quality by using the HDMI connection?