Is it all in my head??

mrdecibel just can’t seem to help himself.

—- “given this thread some time, and I assure you, others will follow, as he has plenty of company.”

One could also talk about the characters who very predictably enter these threads to retread their usual list of swipes at those who haven’t accepted the claims about after market ac cables. Always with insults and name calling of course. It’s far easier to throw the word “troll” at someone than deal maturely with the points they have made.

And of course it comes with the usual self-serving “critique”: YOU don’t have the hearing and perceptual ability I have” and “YOU don’t have the super high quality system I have” and similar self-stroking.

So lets see how this goes....

—— “Why are so many of these trolls not willing to try some power cords ( they are inexpensive enough ). “

As I have detailed here: I’ve tried high end power cords (Shunyata and others). In fact, I’ve done comparisons in a more carefully controlled manner than I bet mrdecibel ever has. So, that critique fails.

——“My guesses are, they know their hearing is bad ( from being in bands, etc. ); do not want to find out, or admit, their hearing is bad;”

Nope.

I’ve been protecting my hearing with earplugs at really loud events since the early 90’s. I have had my hearing tested regularly for years. The audiologist always remark about how good my hearing is for my age (now 55). My hearing often “measured as” someone 12 to 15 years younger in terms of linearity and frequency extension.

Next....

——“ their equipment is old and do not have iec inlets; “

I’ve owned plenty of equipment with removable ac cords. Have used some of those to test ac cords.

Next....

—- they have an " acute " shortage of experience in listening for fine details;

hmmm

I’ve been obsessed with sound since childhood, grew up with a high end system (starting in the 80’s, KEF 105.2 speakers, Carver amplification), have been heavily in to high end since the early 90’s, have done all sorts of live vs reproduced sound comparisons, have spent time in pro music recording studios recording music, been in post production sound for about 30 years, my day job involves recording sound and minutely tweaking sound all
day long - often literally matching the “air sound of a room with another, or tweaking reverbs to match production sound.

So, no, I don’t have an accute shortage of experience listening for fine details. I have held a job dependant on having that ability for decades.

——“the system they have does not have high enough definition or detail.”

I have used all manner of speakers including many known for excellent resolution - Quads, Waveform (still own some), Audio Physic various models,
moat recently Thiel 3.7 and 2.7 speakers, along with MBL omni 121s which use the same amazing tweeter/mid module as their $70,000 and higher models.

It would be laughable to even bother trying to claim all those speakers are low resolution. And of course, cable companies, shunyatta included, claim it’s a myth you need a super high resolution system anyway. They claim people can realize audible benefits across a wide range from modest to super high end systems.

So...fail again.


——“Trolling will never stop, because, and this was stated from another power cord thread, "

Isnt it interesting that folks like mrdecibel enter these threads to produce a screed about the failings of other people’s hearing, how they must have too-crappy systems to hear what he can hear, and he calls THOSE people “trolls.”

But when you can’t maturely address the points someone else makes and all
you can fire are blanks like the above, the only thing left to you is calling “troll.”

——“Keep in mind, I not looking to gain any popularity contests with these trolls. I just call them as I see them.”

Ah, just dropping in to tweak feathers then, huh?

What was that “T” word you keep using for others again?

Civil conversations are entirely possible to have about cables. There is no need to blow smoke and just make stuff up about those who don’t agree with you.

waltertexas

That listening experience sounds totally awesome.  Reminds me of when I got a private demo of the MBL flagship system.  Quite head turning!

Though I’m curious about this:

—-“After experiencing that, it is now my view that everything matters and that there is no end to this obsession.”

You mentioned you were an engineer.  I’m wondering how you determined from listening to that system that “everything makes a diference.”

As an engineer you would understand the importance of isolating the contributions of one part of a system vs another to determine what any particular part of the chain is contributing and to what degree *if any* it is contributing.   So I’m just wondering how you believe it follows from listening to (I presume) a system full of gear you are unfamiliar with that you understood the contributions of every bit to know “everything makes a difference.”

I hope you agree this is a reasonable question to ask. (?)

elizabeth wrote:

—- lTo me the worst problem is the naysayers often seem to think the folks who can hear the differences are deluded idiots.And make assumptions based on THAT premise.”


Thats only because you refuse to read what some of us *actually* say and you continue to carry around the false equivalence of “being in error” and “bias” with “being an idiot.”   It is precisely BECAUSE the brightest person in the room is susceptible to bias-error effects that it makes sense to consider that variable.

So long as you absolutely refuse to even try to understand this point, you will have yourself to blame for your irritation with your own straw man.

Thanks @waltertexas

Again, that’s in incredible sounding system you heard.

As for the type of dimensionality and sonic “dissapearing” of the speakers - that’s something I’ve always favoured myself, and my speaker choices reflect it. I regularly get that effect from my Thiel, Waveform and especially my MBL omni speakers - an amazing dimensional sound field that seem utterly detached from the speakers. It even happens pretty easily with my little Spendor 3/5s.

All it really takes is decent speaker positioning. I tend to have my speakers well out from the back wall and closer to the listening position. Friends, including fellow audiophiles have described the sensation of hearing my systems as “spooky real” and are generally amazed.

BTW, this didn’t take any aftermarket power cables or expensive high end speaker cables/interconnects to achieve :)
Just good speakers and decent care for acoustics and positioning.

Cheers.

Elizabeth 

Fair point!

However I’m used to seeing just that criticism lobbed at me and others here who are not calling you and others deluded idiots. I believe I’ve seen you impute this to my posts before as well.

So taking “the naysayers” to include me and some others who are skeptical didn’t seem like a stretch.


Of course if you point only to those who have said such things you aren’t referring to a straw man.   Problem is the accuracy of that claim can’t be taken for granted given how often I, and other skeptics here, have routinely been misrepresented and strawnanned.   I say something like “how did you determine it was a real effect vs imagined” and as is often seen here I get back something like “so you take me to be a deluded idiot??!!”

elizabeth wrote:

—-“ So what was the problem? HIM. He could NOT accept HE was having trouble feeling anything in his feet. It HAD to be the car. Even telling him point blank.. Did not matter. ten minutes later it was the car...Sad. Some folks cannot get past the ego. “

Totally agree.  Some people’s ego seems so wedded to their subjective infallibility that they have trouble even imagining, let alone admitting, they COULD be wrong.

Those of is who proceed on the well justified assumption we could be wrong, find this very strange.  Finding out how we could be wrong, or if we are wrong, is a way of being open to learning.  I just find it odd that so many seem closed to this.

boxer12

No audio grade outlets.  Until very recently no power conditioning at all. However I added some new equipment not long ago, which finally got me to redressing my wiring.   I found that a couple of Furman PST-8 SMP EVS power bars quite useful, especially their shape which makes the outlets more easily reachable for me.  Don’t mind whatever isolation/protection they may give the system as well.   Didn’t hear any change to my system after they went in.