Is going from a Ortofon Candenza Black to a Ortofon Winfield a lateral move?


I have an opportunity to pick up a very low use Winfield at a good price. That said, after moving my Cadenza Black I'll pay at least $750 for the Winfield. The Winfield retails for about $1,400 more but to me the specs look pretty similar. Anybody have any experience with these carts to provide some feedback? Thanks. 
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Thats first hand experience feedback, thanks. Are you using a phono preamp or set up transformer for the carts? And, which model? 
Ok, thanks for the spelling correction on the Windfeld, or "PW" as it is inscribed on the cart. I'm still learning on interpreting the specs but they look fairly similar to me. However, as @rauliruegas noted, the PW comes with the Replicant Stylus that distinguishes itself from the Cadenza Black. 

@fsonicsmith I initially had the same impression with the Cadenza Black, as you have with Ortofons, but discovered a step up transformer brought the Cadenza to another level I had never heard before. And, I suspect the step up I'm using (Musical Fidelity bb-1) is not the ideal match for the Cadenza but still brought more life to this cart than my C48 preamp or Herron phono tube amp can deliver on it's own. So, now I'm on the hunt for a suitable and reasonably priced SUT. 

My turntable is a Technics 1200G with a achromat mat (I've also updated my system set up in my profile). I'm not sure if this is my forever table and hesitant about investing the dollars in a tonearm rewire. I'd rather just invest in a step up table in the future.

The version I'm looking at is the one previous to the TI. I understand they're built very similar except with a titanium body.

Good to know @billstevenson. I have a Herron tube phono preamp that I can get 64 or 69db gain depending on which tube compliment I use. The Cadeza Black sounded best ever with the 69 db gain but I pulled out an old Musical Fidelity bb-1 active step up and the CB sounded even better using it through the MM stage of the Herron. Even sounds really good through the MM stage of my C48 preamp too. So, I ordered a Rothwell MCL step up and think that will be a better load match with the Cadenza Black. Now, you really have me thinking what kind of sonic improvement I can get with the Windfeld 🤔. 

@pops that’s a nice table set up you have! I too listen to mostly rock genre music and now getting into jazz so I would also like @billstevenson’s opine on how the Windfeld handles this type of music. 
Seems SUT require careful matching to with the cart and the system. Problem is right now affordable ones are hard to find. For starters I settled on the Rothwell MCL. These are sold out right now at Music Direct. I was able to buy the last one available through BritAudio. My CB just comes more alive using it through my old Musical Fidelity bb-1. I can’t find any specs on it. It’s battery powered, so it’s active, right?  Seems like Ortofon SUT’s were made for carts like the Cadenza line and above but again those are hard to find and don’t want to buy one from Japan through eBay. Too much of a hassle to return, etc. if there an issue with it. 
@stringreen To my ears the CB does the same thing. To me the CB is quite revealing. Sometimes it’s disappointing to hear favorite albums from the past sound mediocre. But, well recorded albums sound fabulous when everything is set up to help the CB perform at its best. I had this experience with The Cars, “Candy O”this week. I hadn’t listen to that album in years but man, sounded great. The drum fills really popped!
As @pindac noted the specs on the CB and the Windfeld are pretty close and can be challenging for us still learning how to identify build and performance differences on whether to pursue a cart without being able to hear it first. So, I guess the stylus and the FSE technology are what elevate the Windfeld above the CB? 
Thanks @billstevenson. Not knowing much about the replicant styli, I did a google search and found some info. As with anything more sophisticated in engineering and design, looks like more attention to detail is needed with this types of stylus. That said, is the replicant stylus significantly more difficult to dial in compared to shibatas?