Inner Tracks Sound Raspy


Thought I'd try vinyl again. I have close to 100 old LPs from the 70s and 80s that I purchased when I was first became involved with high-end stereo. Admittedly, some of the old platters are in better shape than the others.

So . . ., to get started again, I wanted to start out slowly. I bought a refurbished Thorens TD 160 w/ stock TP 16 tone arm, which included a Grado Sonata cartridge. My first reaction, quite frankly, was surprise. I hope this is not audiophile heresy, but my old vinyl sounds better than my CDs.

But I do have a problem with the vinyl playback. It seems that the pick-up on the inner record tracks is a little raspy and distorted, especially when playing complex music such as orchestral.

The TT and arm appear to be working just fine. I double checked and reset VTF. VTA looks ok too. I also went on Vinyl Engine and checked cartridge compliance and I think the Sonata is ok with the Thorens tone arm. Finally, I increased anti-skating force and that seemed to help somewhat, but the problem continues to persist.

My question to my fellow A'goners is whether this is normal in the case of vinyl or is something else at play here?

Associated equipment is ARC PH-7 (phono pre); ARC Ref 3 (line stage) and ARC VS 115 (amp).

Thanks for the advice.
bifwynne

Showing 2 responses by mlsstl

I'll take you at your word the arm is properly configured. There are parameters other than VTF and VTA. Some you can control and other are set when the arm is attached to the plinth.

However, two issues. First, a pivoted tonearm scribes an arc across a record. That means you can only achieve a good average for being perpendicular to the groove. At most spots on the record, you're going to be slightly off. Change a setting to perfect that for one spot, and then you're off at others.

Second, since the diameter of the record decreases as move toward the record's label area, the spiral of the groove's arc tightens. That inherently increases distortion.

One problem could be that a record may have subtle permanent damage from prior playing. If that's the case, you may be stuck with the distortion. However, I would expect that condition to vary quite a bit from record to record in your collection.

While inner grooves inherently have more issues than the outer ones, that shouldn't automatically mean audible problems. If every record has the problem, I think you're back to a setup issue. You might try rechecking if the distance from the pivot point to the stylus is correct, and also double check to make sure your cartridge doesn't yaw to the left or right. Also double check the anti-skate setting. The centrifugal force increases as the spiral tightens.

Good luck!
One other possibility is they missed something in the reconditioning of your Thorens - perhaps a tonearm bearing that is a bit worn, dirty or under-lubricated and has a bit more resistance toward the label area.

You might check if a local dealer will let you demo a newer turntable. If the problem goes away with the new model then you've clearly established the Thorens needs a bit more work.